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RawDawg

June 27, 2010 7:44 PM

A merger of MotoGP and WSBK is never going go happen for 3 reason.

The manufactures don't want to because if they did they would have done it by now.

They are run by 2 completely different organizations that wouldn't want to share power or money earned. They both have TV contracts and sign sponsors so it wouldn't make much sense for either to merge.

Unlike MotoGP, WSBK doesn't need manufacture participation to operate. WSBK could run with all private teams and still be a viable championship.

RawDawg

June 27, 2010 7:47 PM

"Plus I can think of 2 motogp riders who went to WSB and didn't hit off straight away - Biaggi and Guintoli (though Biaggi is looking for championship this year)"

What?!

Biaggi almost pulled a double his first weekend and was within 18 or 19 points of winning the title his first year.

Guintoli had no business in MotoGP in the first place.

sbkfan - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 7:49 PM

also could dorna not say that production bike engines must say have a limit of 1100cc so that they would have to be heavily moded, and there for not be copying the 1000cc of wsbk.

RawDawg

June 27, 2010 7:56 PM

"But Rawdawg - with the 125 and moto2 classes producing a conveyor belt of racers - where are they going to go when there are only 16 rides in Motogp."

It's the same thing in F1 - there are only so many rides but there are a number of feeder series producing good racers year in and year out without a seat.

No doubt there needs to be more bikes on the grid - but only bikes and teams that deserve to be in MotoGP. MotoGP is an elitist class - the best of the best. Everyone is not going to get there nor does everone deserve to get there. MotoGP isn't the place for bikes to be 3 or 4 seconds off the pace. WSBK is a "come one come all series" - not MotoGP.



hello moto - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 7:56 PM

@DW

You've got it backwards. GP was never exclusively 2-strokes, in fact they raced 4-strokes until the 4-cylinder rule in the late 1960s. GP simply allowed 4-strokes to have more capacity (990cc) in 2002. They didn't ban 2-strokes until 2007. The MSMA moved SBK to 1000cc to reduce the costs and revs and they added air restrictors to keep power around 180hp. The class was designed to be "super-production" like WSS with all stock engine internals. The Flamminis hated it so they threw the MSMA out of WSBK and changed the rules to allow prototype parts. 1000cc WSBK was never supposed to be this fast or have so many prototype parts.

nebari - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 8:01 PM

This is probably a debate with no real answer. I can remember 500GPs with single cylinder 4 stroke engines producing 50BHP, with similar 350, and 125, and 50cc 4 stroke support classes. The racing was good because the fans knew no different. The 4 strokes were killed off by 2 strokes and we were now up to 100BHP. The fans were happy. Now we are up to 800cc 4 strokes detuned to produce 230 or so BHP, but we are no longer happy because they won't stay on the track without at least 5 different electronic aids.
Half of us want to go back to 500cc 2 strokes which would be slower than WSBK. The other half want to go to 1000cc 4 strokes which would need 20 different electronic aids.

aeolus

June 27, 2010 8:06 PM

"But c'mon - the WSBK grid is full of has beens, never will be's, and career WSBK riders. They have nothing for the MotoGP guys. A guy like JT who was no where in GPs has 4 podiums already. Ol' man Checa who placed 14th and 15th his last 2 years in MotoGP is pushing the front of WSBK."

Very true. Which proves it's the competition and the stock based bikes that make it popular and not the sheer ability of the aliens I would think. GP enthusiasts are happy with quality over quantity.

Al

June 27, 2010 8:12 PM

Simple answer, WSBK, no factory teams, no electronics, 190BHP limit, treaded tires only, three engines per year (this is supposed to be production racing, all this BS about this is the same as you can buy over the counter, yeah in whos dreams!)... MotoGP, 1000cc anything goes, as long as it's prototype or less than 50 in a "production" run (ala RG500 etc) for non factory teams to use.

Van The Great - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 8:14 PM

Dagnamit...MotoGP should only have one rule...engine size limit! Everything else prototype...any tyres, parts, etc...that's what it's for, technology development for street bikes and pinnacle of racing! WSBK...leave it as is!!! :p

aeolus

June 27, 2010 8:18 PM

Al...in theory you are right. Years ago the AMA had a rule that any winning bike could be purchased at the finish by anyone with the money. The dollar amount was low to keep the factory bike close to the production. But try to get the WSBK brass to agree to the stipulations you outlined. Then MotoGP would mean something.

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