MotoGP » Assen: MotoGP v WSBK


Sort Comments: Oldest | Newest

mylexicon - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 8:22 PM

These conversations are pointless b/c WSBK is rev limited. The FIM homologate a rev limit. The Duc is performance indexed. Look at the bore numbers for the Suzuki (74.5mm) and BMW (80mm). If Bimmer were allowed to turn the wick up, the S1000RR would have about 30-40 hp on the Suzukis. It would have 20-25hp on the Hondas. BMW would breeze past people at places like Monza or Silverstone where top end horsepower is very important. The rev-limit is supposed to make the bike production relevant by promoting reasonable bore-stroke figures. The GSXR-1000 engine is not a good CRT GP engine b/c it's maxed out in SBK trim at about 210-215hp.

Joe Sixpack - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 8:29 PM

Posting numbers without context certainly makes for a lot of comments, but isn't very informative. What were the track conditions? Atmospheric conditions? Were these fastest race laps or qualifying times?

aeolus

June 27, 2010 8:37 PM

@mylexicon

200mph (or close to it) is the top speed all motorsports support. Name one that surpasses that. HP is no problem for any manufacturer. Trap speeds at GP races aren't that different. It's the complete package that permits the rider to deploy the power to best advantage. there are few complaints in GP about power. It's all about the feel that is so elusive for many.

hello moto - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 8:50 PM

WSBK:

1000cc rev limited to 12,000rpm (~175-180hp). Standard 91 AKI premium pump gasoline (or European equivalent). No more 95 RON race fuel in either WSS or WSBK. WSS engine rules for WSBK which allow cam duration, valve spring, and cylinder head milling modifications. Over-the-counter cost-controlled electronic systems. Steel brakes. No electronic suspension. Slick control tire. Maybe engine life rules.

That's an SBK. No more 1000cc production horsepower wars that get 1000cc SBKs banned in the EU or elsewhere. It's the manufacturers job to keep things interesting over the years. More hp is not doing anyone any good, it's simply making most tracks unsafe and causing political turmoil.

mylexicon - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 9:23 PM

@aeolus

If it's all about feel, why is the Ducati performance indexed? Why allow BMW to have a supposed 35-40hp advantage, but performance index the Ducati with air restrictors?

WSBK is rev limited on a sliding scale. That's why Ducati suddenly couldn't stay at 1000cc any longer. They couldn't rev the 999R any harder and they couldn't justify making a new production twin with a 2:1 bore-stroke ratio. They asked for more displacement so they could increase stroke and shed revs.

Feel is important b/c power is regulated by fuel/engine capacity in GP and revs in SBK.

Liam Hodgins

June 27, 2010 9:25 PM

It is close :) Astonished to see Haslam was only two tenths off Capirossi's fastest lap of assen on a MotoGP Bike and Corser on the BMW was on a tenth off, the gap between MotoGP and WSB is getting closer. But WSB is exciting and Unpredictable. MotoGP has become very processional and predictable only 15 bikes at Assen and Silverstone bring on the 1000's in MotoGP very soon hopefully it will bring more bikes back in :) Hopefully not kill WSB either :)

kwikkwak - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 9:32 PM

As someone has previously posted WSBK has now got to the stage where there are too many prototype parts in the class.I personally would like to see the new Evo class that has come into BSB across the board.The bikes raced would be closer to what we buy.I know thats what Superstock is for but there are too many classes and i cant see how they can all survive.Motogp should stay prototype and the elite class that it is.

aeolus

June 27, 2010 9:38 PM
Last Edited 1516 days ago

@idc

You have me on tech stuff but checking todays race the Arilia had a top speed of 245 and the Ducati 246 and Fabrizio's fastest lap was slightly quicker. They seemed to be evenly matched. i would say Max is just a better rider. Corser was 242 amd a second slower for fastest lap I'd say evenly matched and result depend on rider. Maybe Max just felt better on his bike

RawDawg

June 27, 2010 9:41 PM

"But WSB is exciting and Unpredictable. MotoGP has become very processional and predictable"

It's down to the level of the bikes and talent level.

In MotoGP the best riders are on the best bike - so you know who will be in front race in and race out.

In WSBK the talent level is closer in the top 10 and there are more bikes that are competitive.

If you change the bikes in MotoGP the best riders will still be the best riders. I wouldn't expect Jorge or Dani or Casey or Rossi to be slower - they still would be the top riders. Nothing would change at the front.

Page 8 of 21
« 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13  »

Join the conversation - Add your comment

Please login or register before adding your comments.

Although the administrators and moderators of this website will attempt to keep all objectionable comments off these pages, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the poster, and neither Crash Media Group nor Crash.Net will be held responsible for the content of any message. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. If you find a message objectionable, please contact us and inform us of the problem or use the [report] function next to the offending post. Any message that does not conform with the policy of this service can be edited or removed with immediate effect.

© 1999 - 2014 Crash Media Group

The total or partial reproduction of text, photographs or illustrations is not permitted in any form.