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Md Zane

June 27, 2010 10:02 PM

Assen this weekend was a yawn fest,the three top bikes had similar pace but because of the high speeds they were doing they only had 2ft of track to play with,while watching the race I thought passing would be nearly impossible,If it hadn't been for Dovi The Playboy and The Predator the race wouldn't have been worth watching,oh and world supers wasn't any better today.





32prm - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 11:23 PM

superbikes make more interesting racing cos the riders aren't as good and they make more mistakes,the closeness in lap times is cos the pirellis are nearly as good as the bridgestones,mgp & wsb bikes both have more power than the tyres can cope with,hence the electronics. better tyres = faster laps even with less power & more weight.

Dice - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 11:34 PM

@ Rawdawg

I think the manufacturers would welcome a single championship, but with the 2 we currently have they feel forced to compete or be conspicuous by their absence.

However, I agree that it won't happen ... because, as you stated, there are 2 commercial agreements in place -each worth billions of dollars.

That's why I believe the FIM needs to be firm about what it allows Dorna to get away with.
A championship with 1000cc prod based engines & a 600cc feeder series should be a big NO-NO.
If MotoGP folds, then there will be just 1 commercial agreements & we can see all factories & riders against each other.

Dice - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 11:41 PM

Also, while there dont look like many 800cc MotoGP riders in WSBK at the moment, watch how that changes if we see 1000cc MotoGP bikes.
We'll see how suddenly Hayden will look much more competitive against the midgets that have come to MotoGP via the 125cc route.

People will need to view Moto2 as a separate racing class that some riders will need to be content with ... much like Chambon was a WSS specialist because of his size.
If MotoGP had stayed as 990cc, quite a few of the current riders wouldnt have made the transition, & perhaps WSBK riders would have been more successful.

Dice - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 11:52 PM

& as you mention, WSBK doesnt NEED manufacturer support to be successful.

We've seen it in MotoGP, seen it in F1 ... & seen it in WSBK. Manufacturers come & go ... which is what makes WSBK the natural selection.
At the moment there are lots of manufacturers represented, but if they leave, the rules allow privateer teams to be able to compete with production machinery & some clever bits. But, if Tech3 (for example) decided to take their MotoGP budget & go race WSBK, their bigger cheque book wouldnt guarantee them success against Althea (for example).

MotoGP will always rely on big factory money to win, which is why Dorna keep bending over to take it from Honda.

Dice - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 11:59 PM

Now to 'hello moto'

Lots of clever technical stuff & suggestions on what to do with WSBK ... only problem is, WSBK isnt broken ... & you know what they say - if it aint broke, ont fix it!

Quite honestly, while all these technical people are useful in racing, you should be kept as far away from writing the rules as possible.
That is the pit that MotoGP has fallen into.

Without the fans, there is now sport. InFront have realised this & have the right balance of technical & sporting regulations to create an awesome show.
Maybe that means there are various restrictions & checks to make racing competitive, but given the choice of anything, I watch WSBK.

RawDawg

June 28, 2010 12:00 AM
Last Edited 1614 days ago

"what we needs is for suzuki and ducati to drop out of GP's then maybe ducati offer a top GP rider big money to ride in WSBK. then watch GP's die."

And how long did GPs survive WITHOUT Ducati previously?

As long as Honda and Yamaha are in the mix MotoGP will go on.

If we don't know anything we know that Honda and Yamaha will spend a gazillion dollars in GPs. GPs is the manufactures play ground. As long as they spend the money and hire the best riders and Dorna has the big money TV contracts than don't get your hopes up that it's going anywhere anytime soon.

Dice - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 12:06 AM

So, I couldnt care if the BMW 'could' be faster ... bottom line, it ISNT ... & BMW are happy with the rules & go racing anyway ... why - because they know that the same rules prevent another manufacturer from outspending them to win.

WSBK has done what NASCAR was very successful at ... taking the emphasis off 'the machine' & giving you entertainment.
At the Daytona 500 this year there was a car sponsored by Avo's to the tune of $20million. Do you have any idea how many of the green slimey food you need to sell to do that ... yet they do.
Tell me which race team wouldnt love that $20mil ... yet purists scoff at NASCAR.

hello moto - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 12:26 AM

@ Dice

I disagree. WSBK is in much bigger trouble b/c they have political problems off of the track. SBKs are banned in France, and with each sensationalist media story about speeding bikers, the EU contemplates an EU-wide ban of motorcycles over 100hp. Euro emissions people and insurance regulators are trying to undermine the SBK industry as well.

WSBK is fine on track, but the arms race at the dealerships is going to get SBKs banned in major markets.

Also SBKs don't even sell well in some markets like the US. American Honda created 600cc SBKs (FX) b/c they wanted to emphasize 600s. 200hp SBKs are reasonably priced halo products that get us regulated and harassed.

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