MotoGP » 1000cc to open MotoGP door for Brits?


"If they limit the 1000cc electronics, Superbike will be a great path to MotoGP and we'll see some Brits back here" - Nicky Hayden.

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RawDawg

July 12, 2010 5:55 PM

My, my, my look at all the hostility. Someone can't have their own opinion with being called everything under the sun I see.

@cletus

Yes their is a financial crisis. Yamaha had all the top guys in GP, BSB, WSBK, SX, and far more stars in bike racing than any other manufacture. Yet their production was off more than any other. If star power is as big a factor on buying decision than you wouldn't think that to be the case.

@facts are facts

The article mentions how Nicky signing is exciting for his fans and current Ducatisti and his marketability. Is Nicky a good ambassador for Ducati? Hell yeah. But if he doesn't produce this year than he' out on his ass no matter his marketability

RawDawg

July 12, 2010 6:05 PM
Last Edited 1502 days ago

@Westminister

Why so hostile?

I live in an isolated town, maybe most Americans are ignorant or maybe just the people around me? Is that about right? why? Because most aren't familiar with Repsol?

You can't exactly go do the street and fill up at the local Repsol station like you can a Shell, BP, Citgo, or Exxon station. You can't run into the average petrol station and buy a quart of Repsol oil like you can Mobil 1 or Castrol or Pennzoil.

So it's a bit off base to be so upset that the average person here isn't familiar with the brand.

Ans I didn't say only rich A-holes buy Ducatis. I said NEW DUCATI SPORTBIKES. Every buys Monsters.

Oh, and I said douche bags not A-hole. lol. I'm just taking a little jab there. But I will say this - Ducati is truly the Ferrari of the bike world. Like Ferrari owners are more aware of F1 than most other car owners (Toyota, Honda, Ford,etc), Ducati superbike owners are more aware of WSBK and MotoGP.

RawDawg

July 12, 2010 6:12 PM

@aeolus

I rider's marketability for a manufacturer is somewhat of a factor but it doesn't trump performance - it's not even close.

Marketability is more of a factor for a sponsor than a manufacture.

The MotoGP grid is made has 5 Spanish and 5 Italians. Do manufactures only want to sell bikes in those countries? No. It's a mix of whose really good and who need a certain nationality to please the sponsor.

Gresisni wanted an all Italian team for his sponsor - do you think he cares how many bikes Honda sells? Barbera got his ride because they needed a Spanish rider when Baustista turn them down. Do you think Aspar cares how many bikes Ducati sells?

RawDawg

July 12, 2010 6:12 PM
Last Edited 1502 days ago

Repsol always want a Spanish rider in their team. Do you think they care about Honda bike sales in Spain? No. Honda didn't hire Dovi because he can sell bikes in Italy - he earn his ride.

The current MotoGP riders have their rides because they earn it. It has more to do with what they did on the track than if they can sell bikes in their country. Is marketability a factor? Yes. But if they don't perform they won't be in GPs long.

To say any rider go their ride based solely on the ability to sell bikes in their country is silly. If the rider isn't good enough to run up front at times and put in good results than how does that help the manufacturer?

Fat Albert/RawDawg - Unregistered

July 12, 2010 6:34 PM

@ RawDawg
"To say any rider go their ride based solely on the ability to sell bikes in their country is silly. If the rider isn't good enough to run up front at times and put in good results than how does that help the manufacturer?"

lets ask silly old Ducati as thats what they are doing with Nicky Hayden. FACT beeatch

CletusQWashingMachineIII

July 12, 2010 6:37 PM

Of course their production was off by more than some others. They sell more bikes than many others and have a more varied product range - superbikes to scooters and different specs and models of those for some countries and safety and emission standards in them. In production these country based variations are seperate models.

And I would never be stupid enough to say (and I haven't) that racing and racers are responsible for driving all sales, but they do drive some sales. It's aspirational marketing..."Ooooh look at rich, sucessful, racey, sexy V.R. You can be like him if you buy the make he rides." Just as Michael Jordan reinvented trainer marketing..... cont

The Kenlucky Kid - Unregistered

July 12, 2010 6:40 PM

But he won in 2006 and it wasn't a fluke. He was 3rd in 2005 and beat his teammate Biaggi for crying out loud. He EARNED IT in 2006.
RawDawg

Hayden did quite well in 05 and cruised on by with a bike that was unsastifactory only to Biaggi. Mind you, Marco beat Hayden on a SAT honda bike and in fact was beating him again in 06 until the fated CAT accident (won more races than Hayden).

Hayden had the very best 990 bike ever built for solo Hayden.WC leader capi and marco in the hospital & rossi with a vastly inferior bike with 4 mechanical DNFs.Hayden oozed with luck,Especially Assen with half the field injured & CE gifting NH the race & WC. Hayden did not have luck in 06,he had loads.

CletusQWashingMachineIII

July 12, 2010 6:46 PM

David Beckham markets anything. Allesandro Del Piero (a famous Italian footballer) is used to market scooters for Suzuki...it goes on and on. Its glamour, success, kudos by association and cash.

Sometimes you get a talented sportsman who transcends his sport and becomes a household name type celebrity. Jordan, Beckham, Pele and Rossi is going that way....people who dont know bike racing none the less know Rossi. The same with Pedrosa/lorenzo in Spain etc. They are used in specific or world markets to sell stuff to people, by tapping in to people's need to be them or like them.

I can't speak for Nicky Hayden however, the only thing I ever saw him advertise were tyres.

aeolus

July 12, 2010 6:50 PM

OK, then riders are chosen for their nationalities to satisfy a sponsor. Which goes back to my statement that to get British riders on the grid, a British sponsor is needed. By the same token, an American sponsor could specify an American rider. Perhaps with 2 races in the US now, more sponsors might come forward.

The Kenlucky Kid - Unregistered

July 12, 2010 6:52 PM

The MotoGP grid is made has 5 Spanish and 5 Italians. Do manufactures only want to sell bikes in those countries? No. It's a mix of whose really good and who need a certain nationality to please the sponsor.
posted by rawdork

A point made, so you say Repson wanted a spaniard...but Rossi nor Hayden,nor barros nor biaggi are spanish- are they? You are contradicting yourself.

The truth of the matter is that to a certain extent Repsol was indeed interested in the Golden boy to open their US oil product market.However. it should be clear that the big factories dont give a rats ash about what the sponsor wants-their money is just a tip.

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