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Valentino Rossi's Ducati MotoGP debut compared with Nicky Hayden, Marco Melandri and Casey Stoner before him.

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Southerner

December 13, 2010 7:19 PM

Well,Twissta,I'm not going to argue with a confident man,but within the realms of prediction,ie gambling,
I will bet elsewhere for 2011,based on the relevant facts pertaining to the article.
Rossi being Rossi,a smart gambler should never rule him out.
My two cents right now however,come 2011 is a three way split at this moment between George,Casey and Ben.
Now Sepang may change my leaning.
Off season is killing for us,but I guess the racer's are loving it.Hope thet all come in 100% fit.

Twissta

December 13, 2010 9:18 PM

I would call it speculation based on passed history if the rider and the potential of a new begining with a new era of modifications and desire to win, which has been very intereesting over the past several years. Rossi has a wealth of experiance and drive like Doohan that has gone beyond the typical racers years. If Doohan had not had that career ending crash I would bet he would have racee several more years and prvoed that even the old doggs can win. Rossi's only real bad season was this year due to injuty and the rivalry that took place within the same team. Which we all knkow that, you can't have two champs in one camp, per corperate interest, personal etc...In th ebig picture we might even specualate some corperate espionage, not gettting the right parts etcc...just something to fuel the fire...

Bob Buttamasangy

December 14, 2010 1:52 AM
Last Edited 1323 days ago

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Try again without the girlie nicknames, or the post goes away.

OK! Can you just change it to 'Rossi' for me and repost it? Crikey, don't you people ever sleep!
Thanks.
btw, someone named Charlie is asking me about a shirt? You might want to delete that one too, as it is probably 'off topic'.

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OK, but you owe me one!
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Bob Buttamasangy

December 14, 2010 2:46 AM
Last Edited 1323 days ago

Dear Mr TedG, have you considered for one second that if you asked Forcada, Suppo, Puig etc their opinion, that they might just say the same thing?
Burgess has handled TWO riders in the last 20 years, I fail to see how he could possibly have a qualified opinion on what George or Casey might be like to work with or whether their feedback skills are better or worse than his current rider.
After undoubtedly putting the GP10 under the microscope, he foolishly declared he and his rider could fix any issues within 80seconds!
Well, we all know how that ended, don't we!
Faux pas' of that calibre have got to make you ask questions?

TedG

December 14, 2010 4:33 AM
Last Edited 1323 days ago

Bob,
Number one, have you ever seen someone say I can fix it just like that and snap their fingers? This is the same thing. It is an expression, you can hardly go to the tool box and back in 80 seconds. He most likely is saying that they can fix it quickly. And who is to say it isn't fixed? We don't know, we can only speculate.
Second, what you fail to realize is that because he has worked with only a few riders, he knows how to respond to their input.
As for working with Stoner, his info if probably from the Ducati guys.
You are smart guy and you should know not to take everything verbatim.
Do a Google with motogp-jeremy-burgess-sets-the-record-straight-about-valentino-rossis-move-to-ducati/

TedG

December 14, 2010 4:52 AM
Last Edited 1323 days ago

Jeremy Burgess said
The two things at the top of the job list are fixing Valentino's shoulder and analyzing all the data from the test” Burgess said. “Five days of riding at Valencia (GP race and test) really took it out of him, at the end he could do just three or four laps he couldn't do much.
“I will be back in Bologna for meetings in December to meet with Filippo Preziosi and Valentino. We will check the data and tap into Valentino's mind to further understand what needs to be done.

“Our focus is to make the bike better for everyone and we gathered a lot of information. Valentino is the man for that.”

Rossi was riding virtually one-handed at the end of the test, perhaps one reason why he complained that the Ducati was difficult to turn. And Burgess said that after seven years on the Yamaha M1 the Ducati style was something of a culture shock for Rossi.

TedG

December 14, 2010 4:56 AM

Burgess, contiued:
The Rossi/Burgess pairing have a track record of performing developmental miracles. It was the defection of Rossi and Burgess from Honda to Yamaha in 2004 that turned the once unloved M1 into MotoGP's best all-around package and most consistent race winner. The Desmosedici is a much more potent package than the Yamaha they originally transformed, but there is work to be done.

“The Ducati is more physical to ride than the Japanese bikes and turning the bike is one of our issues we need to improve,” Burgess explained. “You have to force it a little more and that probably added some stress that we didn't expect to be there. We didn't want to push into any areas of risk.

TedG

December 14, 2010 5:21 AM
Last Edited 1323 days ago

And Bob,
Don't try to throw your version of facts around to try to bully people as you have in the past.
Burgess has worked with Mamola, Spencer, Gardner, Doohan, and Rossi. All great riders. And more than TWO. It may span more than 20 years but that is more experience. One could say one rider in the last 5 years but that is just cutting his career short. I make mistakes, we are all human.
And he does know about frame geometry, ask Spencer.

Bob Buttamasangy

December 14, 2010 6:36 AM

Ted you're a funny guy, but if you think anyone was taking the '80sec' comment literally, you are in Disneyland. The comment certainly indicated that he thought they'd have it soughted by the end of the tests, and what do you know? Epic fail! In fact, with the clout behind him and his rider, there's an argument as to how they could have lost as many as they have since 2006!
Like I said, with only 2 riders in nearly 20years, his opinion on what anyone else racing today can or can't contribute is just that, an opinion.
Just the facts Ted, just the facts!
btw I'm not throwing anything around Ted, other than a little reality.

TedG

December 14, 2010 6:50 AM

Bob,
That is fine, you believe what you want. If it isn't about your hero you don't want to hear it, no matter what anyone says. So you have your opinion and I have mine. Go right on ahead, you and your followers go and hit that little disagree icon to your hearts content. Don't be too disappointed when Rossi and Burgess come out on top.

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