MotoGP » Ducati debuts: Rossi, Hayden, Melandri, Stoner


Valentino Rossi's Ducati MotoGP debut compared with Nicky Hayden, Marco Melandri and Casey Stoner before him.

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Madara - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 6:17 PM

Ok so other bikes got better, of course they did Rawdawg. But one bike on the grid the Ducati has not got better that's fair eh?. Before they went to the 800 Capi-rex in 06 on the 990 had no problem winning I thought he had a shot at the WC until he got hurt at CAT, hell Bayliss won the last race easily infront of capi in Valencia for a one,two that bike was fione. Then the next year 07 Ducati got it right as you say. So here we are in 2010 Stoner has given them no direction that's why he's gone and the Ducati riders hit the tarmac more than any other. So are you saying the bike is better now?

RawDawg

December 10, 2010 6:37 PM

"So here we are in 2010 Stoner has given them no direction that's why he's gone and the Ducati riders hit the tarmac more than any other. So are you saying the bike is better now?"

It's never been a good handling bike so no it's not better. And it has more to do with Ducati than it does Stoner. And Ducati has had Loris and Nicky who have had tons of development experience and the bike still doesn't handle as well as the Honda and Yamaha. When Nicky was asked at the beginning of the year how much influence he's had on the bike and basically said he didn't know. Dennis Noyes has stated that Ducati is run more like Honda - the engineers and designers make the bike and hand it over to the race team and says "go race".

Rossi is experiencing the same problems that Stoner and Hayden have been reporting. And what are they doing? According to an article on Motomatters they are at the factory right not re-designing the front subframe after they said there not making any major changes. They hav

RawDawg

December 10, 2010 6:38 PM
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They have shut down the WSBK team to give more manpower and resources to MotoGP. Did they give Stoner that level of support?

In all of his press releases and post race/practice interveiws, Stoner has always given the exact problems that he faced - chatter, lack of rear grip, front tire to getting to temperature quickly, not being able to load the front, etc. It's up to the engineers to solve those problems.

Dray

December 10, 2010 6:44 PM

RawDawg...that could be the reason why the shutdown the WSBK operation (pure logical speculation), but according to them (Ducati) they were not pleased with the rules and they felt that WSBK was heading to prototype bikes.

Dray

December 10, 2010 6:51 PM

Don't know why Stoner never got the support he deserved, perhaps he never came across with calm and proper de-briefs and so nothing major was done.

Stoner did say they kind of sorted the bike at Aragon, so should that be called a good job by him and Ducati?

Everyone is reading into what Ducati is doing with Rossi and team currently and making comparisons that Stoner and his team never got that kind of support. What if Stoner's people including him did not come across as knowledgeable as Rossi and his team. Therefore Ducati saw no reason to make wholesome changes.

Dray

December 10, 2010 6:57 PM

LOL....pcxmac...you could be right, about your speculations. Bear in mind that it was Casey that blessed the engine for 2010 and most of the development was catered towards him.

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:01 PM

@ dray

As Raw stated, Stoner has always told everyone what his troubles were. Funny thing is the same problems with the bike right now are the same troubles Stoner had, and they are just now pulling all the resources out. Rossi doesn't make the changes, he tells them what's wrong and the crew makes the changes. The same goes for Casey and every other rider in the paddock.

You don't make changes to a bike that is ridden at less than race pace, which leads me to believe Rossi was trying to go as fast as he could, and he did go as fast as he could. Anything less than race pace is a waste of time and money.

Dray

December 10, 2010 7:11 PM

@ Fan...Agree....one should try to go as fast as possible to find the limit for success to a new bike development. Rossi was injured and had been riding FP1,2 QP and race. Have a little sympathy for that effort.

So on test day, he realized/shocked almost immediately that the bike was nothing like the sweet handling M1. Do you wring it all out or make a decision to change everything in the development stage when you have the chance/opportunity or ride it to save your pride. I believe Rossi choose the remake process. Which is the wise choice.

Dray

December 10, 2010 7:16 PM

@ pcxmac...you keep brining up the 2008 bike. That's the same year Rossi destroyed Casey and finished with a points total of 373 to his 280. The same year he switched to the Bridgestones tyres. Casey would probably not want to revisit that 2008 bike either, as in 2009 and 2010, Yamaha came back with bikes that so far could not be rivaled.

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