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Valentino Rossi's Ducati MotoGP debut compared with Nicky Hayden, Marco Melandri and Casey Stoner before him.

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Madara - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:18 PM

@ Fan ... You yourself just said they know what the problems are pretty much same as Casey. I am sure he couldn't have gone much faster but he was definatly not pushing near 100% maybe 85 to 90% most likely. You don't ride on the limit every lap in a race much less a test. By the way have you ever been to a track day hoped on a new bike and pushed it at 100% ?? Iam pretty sure you would hit the deck fairly quickly. You ride give feedback then once you make the nessary changes and are comfortable and confident then you push ... A waste of money would be to throw it down the tarmac and get no data.

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:19 PM

My sympathy, empathy, amazement or anything else I have for Rossi does not change the fact that the bike still needs to be ridden in anger to get the most feed back.

Is it possible Stoner was so fast because when he reacheds a certain level of speed with the bike the problems went away (meaning take the bike past the perceived limit to what it really is)? Of course.

If Rossi got up to speed and said 'fvck this sh1t', I wouldn't blame him. The point of this entire discussion is that I firmly believe that if Ducati had actually shown this much interest in helping Stoner out they would have more than one world championship.

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:22 PM

On the same note in regards to team mates of Stoner past, the laws of physics do not change for Casey. He is either an exponentially better rider than anyone else who has thrown a leg over the desmo or, he is too stupid to realize a human shouldn't go that fast on that bike.

Every Ducati rider complained of the feel of the front end. Why is it, it takes 2011 to roll around for Ducati to do anything?

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:25 PM

@ Madara

Sorry m8, he had more than one day to find the limit and ride it (which IMO he did). If he had 30 minutes on the bike yes, I agree with you. This was not the case.

Dray

December 10, 2010 7:38 PM

If anger is the way to ride a bike, how can you tell your crew what ails the bike. You may not be able to get feed back from the bike. Perhaps that's why Ducati treated Stoner that way because he depended on them to give him a proper bike with limited feedback from him. So the techs went to work building a bike on pure best data.

There were many times Rossi development prowness overcame Masao Furusawa data input and he said that Rossi always was right. Perhaps Casey should have been riding differently in order to give worthwhile feedback. Then we might have seen a better handling GP10/GP11.

Four years is a hell of a lot of time to not get a sweet handling bike.

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:39 PM

If anger is the way to ride a bike, how can you tell your crew what ails the bike.
Posted by Dray

Dude come on, that's even stupid for you.

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:41 PM

If Stoner should be riding the bike differently than Rossi should be riding the GP11 differently.

Come on Dray, use some damn logic instead of trying to bash Casey.

Dray

December 10, 2010 7:48 PM

"Every Ducati rider complained of the feel of the front end. Why is it, it takes 2011 to roll around for Ducati to do anything?"

They could have been trying, but perhaps the best people there including Stoner had a glass ceiling. Now Rossi and company are there and will give it a try. Hopefully they are more talented than the previous bunch. I would say 9 WC makes then better.

We will have to see though, and very soon, whether this red, bucking, wild beast can be coaxed to give all it's got, under the commands of a gentle, cooing, caressing, 9 time world champion. :-)

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 7:54 PM

And from the looks of it if Ducati actually solves the problem it will be no thanks to Rossi. It will be because Ducati finally got off thier asses and actually worked on the bike like they should have in the past.

RawDawg

December 10, 2010 7:56 PM

C'mon on now Dray.

You trying to tell us that Casey couldn't get any changes made because "perhaps he never came across with calm and proper de-briefs"? After 4 seasons? That doesn't hold water because EVER teammate and every satellite rider was saying the same thing. Or the fact that Casey had "limited knowledge"? Well Nicky doesn't. Nor did Loris.

Truth of the matter is that if Val was in the top 3 at the Valencia test there would be no major changes. But since he was slower than Nicky and damn near last Ducati couldn't bury it's head in the sand about the problems Nicky and Casey were complaining about because Val was having them. And if you don't think times were important than think again. It's a reason Ducati is back at the factory re-design a bike they said they wouldn't because Val couldn't set a good time. It's a reason Preziosi publicly stated it was a bad test.

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