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Valentino Rossi's Ducati MotoGP debut compared with Nicky Hayden, Marco Melandri and Casey Stoner before him.

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Dray

December 10, 2010 7:59 PM
Last Edited 1320 days ago

I am not bashing Casey, I think he is scary fast rider. I am saying that he is the one that choose his team. He took them to Honda too. If they could not get him through his bad times then he ought to keep looking around a bit more.

If Ducati solves the problem of the front end and can retain the rear grip as Rossi commended them on, then yes Rossi and company along with Ducat can say the got people that can shatter the glass ceiling that was set.

RawDawg

December 10, 2010 8:10 PM
Last Edited 1320 days ago

Wait a minute Dray

There is a race team and a design team. Stoner took the race team - the people at the track not the people at the factory.

If there is something inherently wrong with a design of a chassis, there is nothing the race team can do - there is no set up for a flawed chassis.

Ducati is redesigning the chassis. They have basically admitted it's flawed by going back to the drawing board after they said they would not and they have said nothing is wrong with the bike. Yet all the riders have complained about front end problems but now they are actually doing something. Sort of like when Yamaha fired Biaggi for saying their chassis was flawed and they said it wasn't and than turn around a year later than Yamaha says "yeah, he was right".

Dray

December 10, 2010 8:13 PM

RawDawg....I think they have been working on the frontend problem to the BEST of their abilities. Unfortunately if was beyond their comprehension how to go about solving it. Enter Rossi, JB, Alex Briggs and the others to give it a try. In a short time we will know.

On another note....Nicky Hayden would get the most credit from me for his development effort this year as the beginning of the season he looked liked he was going to do better than Casey. Alas that was not the case. Credit to him though.

Md Zane

December 10, 2010 8:25 PM

Why did Vali do 100+ laps to decide what engine to use next year.
Ducatis best option next year is to drop the 2011 engine in to the 07 or 08 frame,with the 012 rules it doesn't make sense spending millions of Lira developing a bike that will be old hat in 12 months time any how.

Think Rossi prefers an agile handling bike not the long wheel based (L engine)none flexing carbon framed set up offered by Ducati.

The only way he's gonna do the championship in 2011 is if he get Bridgestone to build a tyre that only the Ducati can use

Southerner

December 10, 2010 8:25 PM

Much respect to Ducati,my brand for half a century.
NOW...Within 18 sorry months Fellipo says they went 'Big Bang' in the interests of the 6 engine rule and Rossi's arrival.Durability,rideability and all.
NOW...the other week,(recent) he says...'The screamer is more powerfull and more durable,but 'we' opted for the growler in that it is what the riders within Ducati want'...Not verbatim,but that was the jist.
2008/2009 is just that.2008,George on Michelin did a fine job,as did Dani.No agree or disagree with anyone.
Yeah,Dray,this is heading into 2011.Most destroyed face I saw in Ricardo Tormo circuit 2011 was the D16 box early evening,'carbon black and silly yellow' Wednesday.Stoner owns that red bike.Aforementioned stats prove it.
They looked as dismal as Melandri some years ago.But,they all smile for the camera.Obligatory,I guess.
Question for you mate.Why did he leave Yamaha,given,by your account it is so good?

RawDawg

December 10, 2010 8:26 PM
Last Edited 1320 days ago

"Unfortunately if was beyond their comprehension how to go about solving it. Enter Rossi, JB, Alex Briggs and the others to give it a try."

Your giving them way too much credit. It's a motorcycle. There are only so many things that you could do - change suspension, shift weight, play with the geometry, etc. After a process of elimination there is only one constant - the carbon chassis. There is no possible way in a 2 day test that Rossi and Co. experimented with more setting and possible solutions than Stoner and Hayden did all year.

Even when it was announced that Ducati was using a cb chassis many experts said it wouldn't work. Because of the stiffness there is a lack of feel for the rider - the same thing Hayden and Stoner have been complaining about. Cargiva ran one back in 500cc days and I'm sure Honda and Yamaha had played with the idea. There is a reason they decided not to go down that route.

fan - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 8:53 PM

Question for you mate.Why did he leave Yamaha,given,by your account it is so good?
The answer is on the paper towel/napkin he wrote. You can google that.
Posted by Dray

The answer is simple. He backed himself into a corner he couldn't get out of. Yamaha didn't kick Rossi out, Rossi left all on his own. He was the one making the ultimatums. He is the one who didn't want a fast teammate. He was the one complaining when Jorge was getting equal treatment. Rossi's problem was that it back fired on him. He was expecting Yamaha to bow to his demands and they didn't.

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