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Valentino Rossi's Ducati MotoGP debut compared with Nicky Hayden, Marco Melandri and Casey Stoner before him.

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Southerner

December 10, 2010 8:57 PM

All apologies for the pre-emptive strike.The D16 box looked dismal post Ricardo Torma testing 2010,not 2011.Technicality,but I don't see much to pick between timelines heading into 2012.Repeat of old news.
As to why he left Yamaha,well,he sure as hell wasn't going to beat George there anymore.And Ben,well,he's simply a 10 to 1 better bet than anyone else alongside George.Much to better to run with him than with Rossi,in my book.
Back to the subject.Stoner dominated the D16 for 4 years. Will Rossi do it ? Doubt it.
More to the topic.Stoner owns the Ducati D16 L4 800.
So did old Capirex in 990 format.

wosideg

December 10, 2010 9:05 PM

Interesting interview with Hayden last week on soupkast(#121). About 14'30" in he talks about Stoner always wanting to go stiffer/harder on set-up, something he didn't entirely agree with by the sound of it.
Saying that Casey rejected this years bigger stiffer ohlins fork to try and regain some feel, which to some degree they achieved at Aragon with geometry and balance changes, but the problem seems inherent.. Rossi wants a more compliant front end so they'll give him a new front subframe to test.
Did Stoner ask for a re-engineered, softer chassis? I doubt it listening to Nicky.

Ducati Dave - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 9:10 PM

I am the last to support Rossi, but give me a bloody bucket.

Rossi was in such pain that he was virtually riding one handed, this is just a big fat red herring, wait for the next test at Valencia to make this comparison.

Shame on you Peter McLaren

Brian C - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 9:21 PM

You guys are forgetting something here. The Ducati has always been extremely difficult to ride. Only Stoner could ride that bucking/misbehaving thing. Hayden improved, greater than Melandri, but still there needs to be changes to the bike. Mainly, I think Ducati needs to get rid of the carbon fibre frame and swingarm and use aluminum. CF frame and swingarms don't flex enough so they tend to buck and bounce. They need to run aluminum swingarms and frames and I am sure that Valentino/Jeremy is going to tell them that.

If nobody but Stoner can ride that bike fast, it isn't the rider, it's the bike. And unlike Honda, Ducati will listen to the riders.

RawDawg

December 10, 2010 9:27 PM

The guy who I think is seating in the cat bird seat rubbing his hands in anticipation is Hayden.

Nicky needs to find far less time to be running consistantly at the front than what it looks like Val needs. If Ducati can get the bike anywhere near sorted look for Hayden to spring a few surprises next year.

Sponsorship Clause Santa - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 9:55 PM

All underfunded teams and factories are suffering. From em, a, em, um, sponsors perspective, we throw enormous finances at the factories for RACING. Poor results, shucks, do not help us sell GASpetrol, FAGSsmokin, BROADSband all together. When TIREDman MICHel in... left the game.

BOY oh BOY realtiy check

Motojunky..

December 10, 2010 10:14 PM

C'mon RawDawg.
Do you HONESTLY think Rossi was trying to put in a quick lap?
Read all your's and Dray's comments, but if your answer to my question to you is "yes", then I really believe you have lost the plot. Sorry, but IMO you can't see the forest for the trees.

In regard to this article, as long as it keeps people entertained, so be it. But it one of "the most" useless articles by CRASH.
Roll on 2011.

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TheDude - Unregistered

December 10, 2010 10:16 PM

Rossi can go back to blaming the bike next for his under performing high salary. Something he couldn't do last because his team mate just kept leaving him for dead.


RawDawg

December 10, 2010 11:49 PM

"C'mon RawDawg.
Do you HONESTLY think Rossi was trying to put in a quick lap?"


er, yes.

Some where during those couple of days, he had to go all out. If you can't go fast in a test than you can't go fast in the race - it's not rocket science. How would they know what to improve upon if they didn't try to eventually push it?

Can you name me any test since 2000, the first year Rossi was in MotoGP, that he has been damn near last? There hasn't been any test, any practice, or anytime on a track that Rossi has been close to last and surely he hasn't been THE last of the brand of bike he was on.

It's always been "Rossi is fastest - he's playing mind games" blah, blah, blah. And now it's "oh, he wasn't trying to be fast". Please. It's a reason Ducati is going back on what they said about not re-designing the bike. It's a reason it was called "a bad test".

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