MotoGP » Moto2 v 250cc v WSS


Best lap times for Moto2, 250cc and World Supersport compared.

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monster

January 07, 2011 1:02 PM

Although the the racing is exciting to watch on TV, the bikes must be very disappointing to ride for the ex 250 riders.

Most tracks they are at least 1.5 seconds slower then the old 250's which is light years in this class of racing

fan - Unregistered

January 07, 2011 1:16 PM

A factory WSS and a factory 250 were both putting out in the 145 HP range.

A 250 will still carry more corner speed than a Moto2 or WSS machine.

Does giving 20+ HP make up for race slicks (compare to WSS)?

Stuart - Unregistered

January 07, 2011 1:20 PM

As the man said "It will get faster." The first year for any team is normally slow by comparison, let alone a new class and you must admit there were a lot of really good races. I expect the new 250 four stroke class will be slow too.

fan - Unregistered

January 07, 2011 1:38 PM

@ Stuart,

IMO it was the best racing out of any series. I'm still nervous about the grid rules for Moto2 in 2011, I hope it doesn't cause more problems.

mike hunt - Unregistered

January 07, 2011 1:38 PM

Moto 2 enginmes are more or less stock CBR600 lumps, tune it to the same level as a WSS engine and a Moto2 bike will lap faster.

The worst thing about Moto 2 is the spec Honda engine thats used.

RawDawg

January 07, 2011 1:42 PM

This was the first year of Moto2. WSS bikes are pretty well sorted. A lot of the Moto2 teams said what's holding them back in terms of better times is not the engine but the tires. Some seem to think that Dunlop went too conservative. But you can't really blame Dunlop because not only did Honda not deliver on the 150 hp engines but they delivered them late which I'm sure cut into Dunlops development time.

Pedro Correia

January 07, 2011 1:47 PM

No coincidence that Moto 2 beated WSS at Valencia, the season showdown... End of season, more development input... Next season they will be faster. WSS are tread tires but pretty close to slick tires, some tracks their best times would put them in the middle of WSBK grid!

Heyhuub - Unregistered

January 07, 2011 2:16 PM

THe power to weight ratio of the Moto2 bikes is more or less equal to that of the WSS bikes. Just look up the trap speeds at the races, they are all very similar.

The Moto2 bikes where in fact about 10kp/h faster on the straights compared to the 250's. So power certainly is not an excuse.

wosideg

January 07, 2011 3:16 PM
Last Edited 1352 days ago

Interesting topic and good on Crash and McLaren for getting the stats together..

It's difficult to draw meaningful comparrison between Moto2/WSS as Moto2 bikes back wheel power is reputed to be around 125bhp next to WSS @145. M2 weight is 135kg, WSS 161kg. WSS has more advanced electronics but run stock frames, the biggest factor is tyres with Moto2 allowed slicks and WSS runnning sticky street hoops.

My point is..WSS are heavier and run street tyres but are still faster..How can Moto2 be regarded as the legitimate feeder to GP, especially when we go 1000cc next year?
Ezpeleta will make sure the champ gets a ride, but will team managers look to recruit from there when SBK is more relevant?

fan - Unregistered

January 07, 2011 3:25 PM

@ wosideg

As you pointed, the WSS runs a street frame. Chasis stiffness is a big deal (as I am sure you know), some people can adapt to it, some cannot. As RD pointed out earlier, Dunlop had been running a very hard compound. No one could really complain because everyone was getting the same. Elias put it best (IMO) that the bikes were too low on power. Talent shines the higher the ponies, not everyone can handle it.

Also, the switch to 1000CC is not mandatory. This seems to be a common misconception here with some posters on Crash. I can explain if you like or you can check out an article on moto matters (I'll be more than happy to explain the rule changes, just let me know).

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