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John Hopkins back on a Suzuki MotoGP bike? "Watch this space..."

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joel

February 04, 2011 10:05 PM

@ Danny boy
Motogp is not about bikes that make it into sales to the public or to fans. Its like saying F1 cars are predicessors to future cars. UMM not going to happen! Again Hopper is a talent but if you where a manufactorer in Motogp do you want a guy riding your bike and always crashing? I know I dont! Hopper is a developement rider thats all he will ever be and so what if he was the best GSVR rider.. Does that mean Kenny Robert Jr. should come out of retirement because he was the last Suzuki champ? LOL NO right ?

Dannyboy

February 04, 2011 10:19 PM

@ Joel

Do I think Hopper will ever be moto gp champ? No

Do I think it COULD be good for Suzuki? Yes

Do I believe in "win on Sunday, buy on Monday"? Yes

Do I believe moto gp technology trickles down to street bike eventually? Yes

joel - Unregistered

February 04, 2011 10:33 PM

@dannyboy
I agree with all your points but one.
Tell me why you think that hopper would be good for Suzuki when they have a talent in Bautista?

bringBACKthe990s

February 04, 2011 11:34 PM
Last Edited 1384 days ago

joel,

why do you think that by bringing hopper back, it will be at the expense of bautista? theres no proof of that.

tho, theyve never been one to employ the same development strategies of all the other teams (as in, lets put as many bikes on the grid as possible to gather as much data as possible)...suzuki has always been one to concentrate there development (or simply be cheap).

oh, and for the win on sunday, sell on monday argument....from someone who has worked closely with the factories, trust me, the win/sunday/sell/monday philosophy has no bearing on their racing efforts. fielding bike in any series is soley for branding purposes. and for those of you who think branding is the same as marketing driven sales, not true.

suzuki makes the best dirtbikes in the world currently. they are heads and shoulders above the rest. and have dominated in AMA racing for much of the last decade. it hasnt helped there sales at all.

hell, racing doesnt even have **** to do with devel

bringBACKthe990s

February 04, 2011 11:35 PM

cont...

hell, racing doesnt even have **** to do with development. most development is done and can be done with highly qualified test riders on test tracks. that may seem odd as well considering that this is a prototype series....but again, prototype series are not about development, its about having a level playing field. nothing more, nothing less.

racing isnt about sales or development....its simply a branding tool.

which brings me back on topic to suzuki. all above taken into consideration, its clear they field a team strictly out of branding purposes. theyve been offered money from customer teams in the past and turned them down. as did kawasaki to potential customers. it is a great shame for the japanese to not being competing at this level. suzuki is as broke as any of the factories yet they still field a team.

being competitive is not their concern. its denning's problem, not the japanese. all the tech's from all the factories in japan all know each other and there is not

bringBACKthe990s

February 04, 2011 11:35 PM

cont...

being competitive is not their concern. its denning's problem, not the japanese. all the tech's from all the factories in japan all know each other and there is nothing special that one is doing that another isnt aware of. its kinda boring when you know whats going on behind the scenes.

RawDawg

February 04, 2011 11:37 PM

"Tell me why you think that hopper would be good for Suzuki when they have a talent in Bautista?"

I would say because Bautista can't do it alone. It's very hard for a single rider team to succeed with such limited amount of testing in the preseason and next to none in season. I think I saw that Bautista had like 3 or 4 different chassis and a couple of other different things to try. And he got sick the last day so no way did they get all the information they hoped for. During race weekends they will only had the data of 1 rider so Suzuki will be at a disadvantage compared to the other manufactures.

And the fact that Hopper has the experience that Bautista doesn't.

But all that would be contingent on Hopper being the old Hopper.

bringBACKthe990s

February 04, 2011 11:45 PM

rawdawg,

what about the test riders?

arent they allowed to do all the testing and development they want back in japan?

i guarantee you that is where 90% of development comes from. the stuff done on test days and on race weekends has more to do with personal rider set-up does it not?

wsbk racers are simply great racers
motogp racers are decent development guys, who unlike test/development riders, can handle the pressure of a race weekend as well as being great racers.

i think the myth and nostalgia surrounding the development prowess of the motogp racer is great romanticized amongst us fans. these guys can handle all the variables at there disposal, but they aint responsible for those variables. much more of the work is done in japan than we like to believe.

fact:
racing = branding
racing = japanese pride
racing = moving billboards

myths:
racing = sales
racing = development
racers = great testers
racing = sport

bringBACKthe990s

February 04, 2011 11:56 PM

to further lay on the suzuki bashing...

i really dont understand what their focus is...

if they are there for soley branding purposes (which all clues point to such) then why have they always turned down customer teams?

on the other hand, concentrated efforts have traditionally been more successful in racing. meaning, having a clear-cut A rider on your team, and a clear-cut B/testing gopher, has always been more succesful than giving equal treatment across the board.

tire mfg's always knew that there could only be ONE champion, thus overnite specials made sense. concentrate on ONE, because in the end, only one guy can be champ. it makes sense when you think about it.

ducati's factory effort suffers greatly from giving its customer teams such quality help.

mclaren cost themselves the drivers title in 2006 from having two "A" drivers.

ive never seen a team with multiple "A" pilots succeed except with maybe red bull this past year and they did everything in their power to throw the

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