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The decision was taken to focus on existing grand prix teams when considering who to include on next year's MotoGP grid.

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eminusx

June 17, 2011 5:59 PM

it seems most people would be happy for new bikes to hit the grid if there was some kind of performance guarantee. I agree its both slightly pointless and potentially obstructive to have no-hopers waiting for the lead group to lap them, if there's a scrap going on up front, it could get messy, nobody wants that!

so performance is key, obviously, it would make sense to put in place a performance / admittance proviso based on laptimes over a couple of 2 day tests for maybe 10 new starters at 2 or 3 tracks that have already been ridden this year, something to compare their potential alongside existing data, the bottom 4 dont qualify.

im hoping there will already be something logical in place and it isnt purely down to the mighty buck....but this is Dorna were talking about so im not putting money on it!!

Sick Cylinder - Unregistered

June 17, 2011 6:07 PM

I am all in favour of more bikes on the grid and that can be achieved by both attracting sponsors and making the racing more affordable.

What I am unhappy with is that we have a very complicated solution to a relatively simple problem.

If the engines could be made cheaper the factories would be happy to lease them to privateer teams like they did in the old days.

Instead we have a baffling confection of rules and a bunch of bikes which probably wont be competitive.

fan - Unregistered

June 17, 2011 6:24 PM

@ Sick

There is no way to make a cheap engine today. I would imagine it costs more in R&D to make an engine that lasts 3 rounds that it would be a grenade the blows up once it crosses the finish line. There is cheap ways to make power but sacrifice longevity. The Factories do not allow the leased teams to open the engines either. At least with the CRT they can do whatever they want with the engine.

The more bikes on the grid the more battles there will be. Until the next group of young hot shots line up a factory ride, the front four is all there is going to be fighting for the lead. A battle for 10th can be just as exciting to watch as it is for the lead.

Mick - Unregistered

June 17, 2011 6:34 PM

Fan you have hit 1 point right on the head there about factories not allowing satellite teams to open their engines. Even when there was no limit on engines each one had a service life in the terms of lease and no more
(remember J Rea not being able to ride for KR at donny because of this).
Poncheral created his Moto2 team to give his engineers something to flex their braincells, according to Smith, Coulon is reveling in it. This will give the teams IF they create their own engine instead of leasing from Aprilia/BMW/Kawasaki (the problem at the mo) something to get their teeth into and they only have to wait 1.5 races to open them up.

fan - Unregistered

June 17, 2011 7:25 PM

@ Mick

Very good point about the WCM project. They did base the engie off of the R1 design, but it was not an R1 engine. They were busted for using an OEM piston (if I remember right).

The good thing about this transition with the CRT's is they will be getting the same tires as the factory boys. Back in the 990 days with WCM, Moriwaki, KR, they were on Dunlops or second string Mich tires. Even if they had a balls out machine, the tires were not going to let them be anywhere near the pointy end.

Nine engines, 3 extra liters of fuel and the same tires could make for some good results.

I wonder if the CRT's start beating the leased bikes if the factories will give the sat teams better spec engines?

shamarone - Unregistered

June 17, 2011 11:27 PM

re: "Imagine if there is Red Bull Racing team in Moto GP."

ya know, since the factory likes blue, i was looking at some old YZR500 pics the other day and thought this would be a great sponsorship/livery for lorenzo and spies. redbull M1's. both retro and modern.

shamarone - Unregistered

June 18, 2011 12:32 AM

re: "so performance is key, obviously, it would make sense to put in place a performance / admittance proviso based on laptimes over a couple of 2 day tests for maybe 10 new starters at 2 or 3 tracks that have already been ridden this year, something to compare their potential alongside existing data, the bottom 4 dont qualify."

logical and pragmatic. this receives the shamarone seal of approval. done.

shamarone - Unregistered

June 18, 2011 12:48 AM

re: "If the engines could be made cheaper the factories would be happy to lease them to privateer teams like they did in the old days."

and therein lies the rub. the terms "cheaper" and "prototype motogp engine" are polar opposites. there are some things that resist the human tendency to "devalue". the technology, talent, and human labor involved in this instance are a few of them. not that the "old days" ever saw them as cheap...? simply copious amounts of euro were available to pay the price of admission. in addition to inflation, as we moved forward now a decade into the 21st century, the talent has matured into "wisdom" and become even more valuable. ie. the price goes UP not down.

Mick - Unregistered

June 18, 2011 9:41 AM

If these bikes are 4 seconds off the pace well they might even change the name to WSS.
Again no one moans about that series where the is only really 4 or 5 people with a chance of winning top 10 covered by over 2 seconds, if the 1st crt bike is 4 seconds off the pace in 18th place will be the same as WSS.

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