MotoGP » Worst Mugello qualifying for downbeat Rossi

"We expected to go better at Mugello, and instead we struggled here as well" – Valentino Rossi.

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July 03, 2011 3:03 AM

re: "honestly think they should scrap the CF chassis and go back to steel trellis or aluminum."

i respect innovation and engineering probably more than anybody, but i do think they should at least scrap their APPROACH to C/F. this double sub-frame almost seems the ANTITHESIS of whats needed for racing...? which is adjustability. aprilia (known for frames having almost TOO MUCH adjustability) would NEVER limit their options like this (never in a million years). even in aluminum like they are doing now for the "superquadrata", it assumes you have one engine position? and it is always magically going to be the CORRECT position? how can that be? while that assumption might work for say, a BMW flat-twin? it can't possibly work for a grandprix racer? every time you want to reset the engine CoG it necessitates a re-tool of both forward and aft sub-frames AND the friggin' swingarm?!?! the dynamic completely changes every time. how can any company (japanese or european) possibly ten


July 03, 2011 3:05 AM

cont: tend to that in a timely manner? even it were being made from something OTHER than composite, the process would STILL take forever. connect the steering head to the swingarm pivot and build a c/f TWINSPAR ferchissakes...! shamarone has spoken.


July 03, 2011 3:09 AM

If you look up the term "fools gold" you would see a picture of Rossi in 4th in the title.

Spies and Pedrosa are going to EASILY finish in front of Rossi in the Championship. The way things are going, I think Nicky will finish ahead of him as well - he's only 10 points off. Simoncelli will finish in front of him as well IF he can at least finish someone close to were he starts instead of finishing in the gravel trap.


July 03, 2011 3:24 AM

re: "Careful what you wish for chaps."

indeed. curious, what's the point anyway in kicking a 9x champ when he's down? what's the point in continually having a go at a man who (like it or not) is single-handedly responsible for building motogp into a household name? most here have never even SEEN rossi ride a 500 2-stroke, let alone racing BEFORE the class was rebranded? don't lie to me and say that you have, if you haven't. it wasn't always called "motogp". seriously, is there an end-game i'm not aware of to killing the "golden goose"? get a clue everyone, the quicker you kill “the brand” VR46, the quicker you kill “the brand” MotoGP and the fortunes of ALL associated with it. this goes for the “moto fortunes” of AND the fortunes of your favorite rider.


July 03, 2011 3:27 AM

cont: ffs look around! where are the main sponsors at? yamaha doesn't have one? ducati (even with yellow 46) doesn't have one? and neither 'renzo, nor casey-boy, nor sideshow, nor speedz, nor kentucky kid, nor "tornado man", nor crutchlow, etc. have done any better. combined, ya know what all these "Mighty Heroes" have attracted? exactly JACK SH!T! other than repsol, any sponsor who is here currently? came DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY on the strength of ROSSI (read it and weep). so i don't know what "bright and shiny" future the rest think they are going to have when he's gone? ironically, the only one who HAS brought somebody new to the game is backmarking (elias) and that was a 1-off (effenbert). so guess what, if the sponsors aren't here now? they DAMN sure aren't going to suddenly STAMPEDE their way in when rossi decides to retire. wtf guys...??? WAKE UP...!!!

Bill s - Unregistered

July 03, 2011 3:27 AM

Happily for I am red and yellow
And have not those soft parts of conversation
That chambers have, for I am declined
Into the vale of years yet that's not much
She is gone. I am abused and my relief
Must be to loathe her
O curse of marriage

Othello aka vr and ducati
Act 3. Scene 3, mugello

As adapted

Walt - Unregistered

July 03, 2011 3:27 AM

Everyone keeps blaming the front end issues on the carbon frame, but it was no different with the steel trellis frame. Lack of front end feel has been the constant complaint with the Ducati from the beginning, no matter what frame they were using.

The problem wit this bike is it's L4 engine layout. The engine has to be set further back in the frame so the front bank cylinder heads clear the front wheel. I would guess that the engine is set back at least 2 inches further than any other MotoGP bike on the grid, which shift weight to the rear and off the front, explaining why they can never get enough heat into the tire to make the front work.

I said earlier, if Ducati keeps the same L4 layout in the GP12, and now the GP11.1, they will have the same problems, and it certainly seems they still do.

Lost Planet - Unregistered

July 03, 2011 3:31 AM

Personally I see it as sad that one of the greatest racers Became lost in his own media hyp he actually believed his own spin THE DOCTOR anyone who knows anything about motorcycles recognises simply that Rossi is definetly one of the greats in Gp racing history .....
this weekend especially shows how much he relied on Burgess to sort out the bike ...His legendry developement skills are now exposed for the media hyp it was only a fool could believe otherwise Ducati were caught in that trap and beleived the media hyp as well which has left both rider and manufacter exposed to un-justified ridicule whatever money Ducati has left they must go to a frame developer and develop a frame that will help there riders win again Stoner obviously was an exception even so he could not win championships on such a poor frame design....I want to see Ducati back up the front dicing for the lead before it is too late for two great champions ducati and Rossi

Nick - Unregistered

July 03, 2011 3:47 AM

I think they are very very close. It's just a matter of time now and everything will click for them. But one thing is for sure, this bike requires a very mad mad mad man to ride, maybe a child?

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