MotoGP » Ducati: No 1000cc test at Brno


"On Monday we'll continue the development work on the GP11.1 with both Valentino and Nicky"

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Glen - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 8:30 AM

Ducati has to come up with an idea gets feel and weight transfer into this bike, or they simply don't have any idea how to build a competitive bike at this years level. They need to find direction before they can build "feel" into next years bike. Now this move just shows that they know their lost. They have to find feel with this bike, or fully give up on it and build a frame, test it on this bike, then build it on next years bike. So this text of nect years 1000cc would have been on a design that there almost ready to scrap. So wise to not waist a test. But unwise to not bring radical changes to this weeks race, Mainly'a frame. This will show if there willing to lose with pride of "being innovative" . Or build a bike that can win, no matter who originally made the idea. A manufacture who chooses originality over performance, does not belong on the cutting edge. This GP racing.

Zebra - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 8:32 AM

For me, it is hard to understand how Ducati estimating the situation. From the second you lose Stoner and get Rossi you should know there's no way out, if you screw the currently biggest name in GP then who you think you can get to dedicate their career with you? You should try 120% everyday to make things better. Yes you play with the rules using 1000cc testing time to bring that GP11.1 out but, WTF you're thinking using Rossi's engine quota to try if it fit the GP11.1 frame? All these thing should be done with your test rider/test mule not your factory team rider! Even not join the offical test to save time is ok but at least send test riders to ride something in some other place. We can see honda testing 1000cc machine with test rider but duc?

titanic - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 8:49 AM
Last Edited 1226 days ago

Its funny watching the Rossi fans shifting deckchairs on the S.S. DUTANIC.

The biggest problem for Rossi on the Ducati is that he cannot adapt to the bike and nor does he appear to want to. The Ducati is no precision machine like the Honda or Yamaha its a brute.

Stoner succeeded where all else failed because of his sublime feel for a bike and worked out strategies to compensate for its weakness's and exploited its strengths.

Rossi is not in this class as a rider, he needs a flowing perfect machine with no bad habits. A great racer yes, but only on a perfect bike.

Lorenzo already had his measure last year in the racing stakes on the same perfect bike. Stoner on a completely new machine has 5 wins already.

The SS Dutanic is about to hit the iceberg by years end, both riders and designers have no idea what they are doing.

smithy - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 8:59 AM

I believe Ducati started going downhill as soon as Suppo left the team.

He got them their title on a shoestring budget and knew the skill that Stoner possessed.

That fool Vito couldn't test if a beer was cold let alone a gp bike. How is it that both Yamaha and Honda test riders get the bikes from the engineers near right year after year and steer the designers to the right directions so often.

Vito puts out his usual ramblings at the start of each year that he has found improvements everywhere in testing while the riders respond with a resounding NO it doesn't work. If Vito was earning his money they wouldn't have already wasted so many test days with the riders, surely he can work out with sensors that he is still getting no heat into the front tyre.

motogp fan - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 9:03 AM

Make it easy no need test team to test it ... go to ducati garage and use stoner 07/08 bike front end then fix it to rossi GP11.1 front & let rossi try to run it will know is it carbin frame problem or rider problem

bundanet - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 9:18 AM

"The SS Dutanic is about to hit the iceberg by years end, both riders and designers have no idea what they are doing." by titanic.

now we have some expert designer here :)

Stace

August 10, 2011 9:58 AM

@TheMiZ: I assume you mean me :)

I take no exception there, it's your opinon! I only take exception to someone calling me a names for being a Rossi fan...

Personally I just wish all four manufacturer's machines worked so that we could see great races! Whislt I'd love Rossi to win I actually don't overly care as long as it's exciting to watch! Someone running away with it at the front (no matter who it is!) is not exciting...

BTW It's Stacy, not Stacey :)

disbelief

August 10, 2011 10:26 AM

@Amar "apparently no one read my comment "THE TROUBLE WITH DUCATI" ...

Amar, David Emmett's pieces are always good, but on this occasion there is at least one technical error (on hysteresis) and some other rather debatable assumptions. It also is not that long or involved. If you REALLY want to see some very detailed debate about this go to the forum section and read the ducati goings on part 2 thread - all 17 pages of it, mostly contributed by engineers and drawing from many detailed sources. David's piece was merely a snapshot of what had been discussed in there (though he used other sources I am sure). David's piece most definitely is generous when it comes to Rossi's part in this year failure IMO.

Track dodger - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 11:14 AM

No wonder ducati aren't testing, their 1000 isn't as quick as the yam and Honda 800 they would be a laughing stock.
Lost patience with ducati now, having given them six months to even look like they are making progress but they can't see passed their new superbike having the airbox/subframe, not only are they hopelessly lost but there is nothing coming out of them about how they are going to remedy it.
If I were Marlboro I would drop them tonight waiting till then end of the season is too long and will mean next year is also a write off. Rossi would get a Honda, only thing needed is money and he has access to that. The other sponsorship money that ducati are wasting could go to leasing maybe more yams or Hondas( competitive bikes) and would improve the sport, Ducati are ruining it, with a 3rd of the bikes rolling around at the back and no one wanting to ride one..

the big spur - Unregistered

August 10, 2011 11:18 AM

David Emmit is generally impartial as he needs to be to run motomatters, but he has erred by not taking Rossi's performances into account given its been 9 months and more development and money than Ducati has ever used.

There is a problem with the bike, any Ducati fan could tell you that, but it isn't the entire fault behind Rossi's failure. The bike not only gained 3 wins last year but a huge amount of podiums.

Another poster showed that Stoner's Laguna 2010 time on the GP10 would have placed him on the podium this year in 3rd position. Rossi's time had him 25 seconds behind Stoners old GP10 time. This obviously shows much more of a problem than just the bike.

The biggest fault FULLSTOP is that Rossi cannot ride the bike to its potential....not that the bike is at its potential.

If Rossi was a god on wheels he would at least be equaling Stoner's times on an old model...not banging wheels with a rookie like Abraham.

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