MotoGP » Stoner cruises to Indy victory

Casey Stoner wins the Indianapolis MotoGP from Dani Pedrosa and Ben Spies.

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BillAce - Unregistered

August 29, 2011 1:13 PM

Rossi Tactics

It wasn't about a wall, though Rossi running to Bstone because casey had better tires after Michelin catered to him for his 9 WC's was pretty sad.

Rossi had access to JLo's data from day 1 and never shared his. Gives him a setup advantage and lets him know where he can attack on track if needed.

JLo signs new contract that requires him to get Rossi's data because he's sick of handing over everything to the prince.

Rossi feels the challenge from JLo and no data sharing at Yamaha because he realizes that without the advantage there is no benefit to him. JLo has a rough start in Quatar finding a setup but has a great ride to the front and picks up confidence. Has Rossi's number the rest of the year until Rossi crashes while trying to close the .5 sec JLo had over him at his home race.

The mind games and Rossi voodoo didn't work on JLo, Rossi says him or me, and Yamaha looking to cut budgets and plan for the long term makes the right choice.

Rossi goes to Ducati an

BillAce - Unregistered

August 29, 2011 1:14 PM

...and has many problems.
He never really had to ride around problems, the factory or team had them sorted.

He looks at Hayden's data but he's not on the same bike because if Rossi doesn't like them they go to Nicky, if he does Nicky won't see them making the data useless.

If Ducati makes an Al frame they will be years behind the other bikes in development and depending on a 3rd party which will set them back further. If they bring out a conventional bike they will be more embarrassed on track. If VR has no advantages he also has to risk a team mate being faster. Ducati is giving him an aluminum frame but its odd how you don't hear him pushing for it because he already knows its not the answer to making him look good, just another excuse for why he doesn't.


August 29, 2011 1:49 PM

re: "15 million euro wages for what?
Stoner is worth 3 of him in my opinion.It is crystal clear now that Rossi has only won on the best equipment"

no worries, where ducati put their 15 mil into the rider, honda's spent 20 mil developing the 212.

BillAce - Unregistered

August 29, 2011 2:03 PM

And all these Cf chassis parts, parallel development of an aluminum chassis, New engine casings to destroke the GP12 and 1000's of boxes of yellow kleenex were free?


August 29, 2011 2:03 PM
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Hey buddy. I disagree with a couple of things you've said.

"Stoner at the pointy end, makes for a boring spectacle for Motogp..."

Some people are going to find it 'boring' and some people aren't. Personally, I've been loving every minute of it. For mine, there doesn't need to be back and forth passing for a race to be 'not boring'. Less excitement for sure, but that doesn't equate to 'boring' in my books. It's all subjective. For instance, I noticed a lot of 'boring' posts related to the Laguna race. I found the race to be rivetting and exciting, and I'm sure others did too. Lorenzo and Stoner put on a special display in my books.Lorenzo trying to break Stoner by riding to his maximum for so many laps. Stoner sticking to his guns. Great stuff. It seems to me that a lot of the people now following the sport have expectations that are at odds with the history of the premier class. The class has always trended toward being processional with some battles thrown in. Nothin


August 29, 2011 2:04 PM
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Nothing has changed. It's still the same sport people have followed for decades. Every now and then we have some races that have more to and fro and sometimes, like 1989-1992 and 2008 and 2009, we get some years that have more battling than usual.

"The sport will decrease in popularity if this keeps up... "

And your point is? We'll see less Rossi supporters, I agree. But I doubt we'll see any drop in popularity that will change what turns up on the track in terms of machinery, riders and racing. In my view, any change that doesn't effect what we see on the track is a change that doesn't mean very much. Your thoughts?

"It is the accepted dogma that Honda is the best machine on the grid and has been the last two seasons..."

Accepted dogma? Coming on a bit strong my friend. Does it look like it's the best bike out there in 2011? Yes. Is this accepted dogma? I don't think there is any point trying to label anything with that sort of terminology. Additionally, I think your poin


August 29, 2011 2:05 PM
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Additionally, I think your point is somewhat muted by two factors. Firstly, the Yamaha was the strongest bike for majority of 2010. Secondly, best bike or not in 2011, if Stoner hadn't switch to Honda, Yamaha would be on their way to another championship.

I find the whole "Honda is the best bike in 2011", while probably true, to be a non-point. There's only one guy in the field who is in a position to win the championship on a Honda this year. Put that same guy on a Yamaha in 2011 and he'd be on his way to the championship on that bike and Honda would be on their way to third in the championship (behind Stoner and Lorenzo). So how meaningful is it to say "Honda is the best bike in 2011"? Does that statement mean more than it has in any year? Nine championships out of ten are won by the "best bike". Situation normal.

I guess what


August 29, 2011 2:07 PM


I guess what I take issue with in your post is that you are drawing a long bow on some of your points. While your 'boring', 'popularity', and 'dogma' points have a elements of truth and/or plausability, I think you are trying to stretch those truthful/plausible aspects into non-points that don't really mean much in real terms. Nothing personal.


August 29, 2011 2:44 PM


thanks God Rossi made it interesting by going wide on a several occasions. (i thought he was lost there on an effort to find the entrance to the pit lane.) otherwise, i would've fallen asleep. lol


August 29, 2011 3:29 PM

re: "And all these Cf chassis parts, parallel development of an aluminum chassis, New engine casings to destroke the GP12 and 1000's of boxes of yellow kleenex were free?"

but not even remotely 20 mil either. 20 mil has been over the past 4 seasons. ducati's been at it maybe 6 months...? surely you don't contend the tiny factory that is borgo panigale has matched (or exceeded) big money honda with only a fraction of the time spent...?

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