MotoGP » Ben Spies denied Valencia victory by 0.015sec

"We just lacked a little bit of steam going to the line. That's the way it goes" - Ben Spies.

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bjr - Unregistered

November 07, 2011 2:47 AM

.....Hey wasn't that Caparossi on Harada on the black Aprilia 250's?....

I was thinking of Olivier Jaque on the Chesterfield Yamaha's at Phillip Island, but Cappa could have mugged Harada at some point :-)

Great to see Stoner with a grin on his face for once, he obviously really enjoyed that, maybe he might toy with the oposition a bit more next year if he's got the WC in the bag.

As for Rossi standing around in the gravel trap, he should have told Hayden to take a "dive" in the gravel trap so they'd have to red flag the race and he could restart. He certainly wasn't in any hurry to clear himself or his bike. Don't like to see that happen to him or anyone though....


November 07, 2011 3:15 AM

Just curious about these Honda 'overwhelming power' comments, didn't Lorenzo (Yamaha M1, same as Ben Spies) mug Stoner on the last corner in Germany?

Ben had slow corner speed as he wasn't sure of the grip. Stoner who was following could judge the grip (by watching Spies), got the draft and took the win by a very small margin. GP racing 101. Doesn't matter if it was 800cc, 990s, 250s, 125s, he who follows onto the finish straight will win.

Ben said in the interviews that following was better than leading.

bjr - Unregistered

November 07, 2011 3:28 AM

Dunno, I don't think too many 125's can get past Terol's bike in a straight line.

No drafting here from Stoner, just the right bike setup to keep the wheelies to a minimum.

I can't find it on the net, but I'm sure I've seen it somewhere that the M1 runs a fairly short wheelbase, helps with turning but scuks for acceleration out of slow corners..

Riders POV - Unregistered

November 07, 2011 3:34 AM


I was reading all the comments and I was waiting for someone to actually post what really stated by the riders themselves. Stoner slowed because he wasn't sure about breaking and accelerating points which Spies used as guide when chasing him down. As soon as Spies got in front he had exactly the same problem not know where to break and accelerate. Stoner used it to his advantage and got the power down much earlier out of the last turn which gave him the extra pace to pass him.

rotsa ruck - Unregistered

November 07, 2011 5:44 AM

No, Cappa didn't mug Harada *at some point* he intentionally ran Harada off the track causing him to crash in order to win the 250 title. Look it up for yourself. If I could find a video of it to post I would, though watching it at the time I ceased to be a Capirex fan at that moment.

gordi - Unregistered

November 07, 2011 6:04 AM

The truth is that with such a power advantage as we could all see again and again this season anybody can win the championship. Those Honda bikes are above anything else by mile and if you put Rossi on it he will be the world champion no doubt about it. Yes he is the champion but in his own class the honda class. The class of few riders riding honda.
He didnt deserve to win this race it was Ben who should be the winner and that upset me even more.
Poor Ben


November 07, 2011 6:08 AM

great job by Ben and Casey, Ben handled the conditions better at the end, but Casey having a bad day again finished 1st.

Last lap was a 1.41, 10 seconds of the pace, would like to see Ben just as competitive at a pace 10 seconds faster in the dry.

hopefully the 1000's will bring them all together, but I have my doubts that much will change


November 07, 2011 6:56 AM

Whatever people may think of him, surely this race must cement the fact that Ben DOES BELONG EXACLY EHERE HE IS!

I'm a massive Casey fan but I was gutted for Ben.

Thanks for the great race guys.


November 07, 2011 8:16 AM

Stoner picked the perfect line in the last corner and got great drive out of it. In the first 25 laps, Spies was mixing it with Dovi and Pedrosa - neither of them were able to pull away from Ben out of that same corner like Stoner did.

Who lost out? - Unregistered

November 07, 2011 9:54 AM

As above, but I also think Ben was probably just a wee bit more cautious with the throttle thinking that he wouldn't get out-dragged to the line and he didn't want to risk high-siding on the last corner of the last race of the season.

It's debatable if the Honda is any quicker than the Yamaha and certainly not to THAT degree.

Still, don't think he's that miffed. Only ones taking it bad are the Stoner knockers as usual who were preparing all the put-downs only to be robbed of the chance!

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