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Valencia MotoGP test times as of 5pm on Wednesday, at the end of the second and final day.

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rick65

November 10, 2011 9:19 AM
Last Edited 987 days ago

All CRT in 2013?
If you mean all production based motors I very much doubt it. The manufacturers are still developing their 1000cc bikes, no doubt at great cost, and would be insisting that the new 1000cc formula exists for more than one year so that they can cover their development costs over an extended period.
There is also the question of what happens to manufacturers who do not have production motors suitable for use in MotoGP, Ducati comes to mind(bore too big) but also those whose 1000cc bikes have significantly less than 81mm bores.
We may see some cost reduction measures such as control ECU (don't we almost have that now with many running Magnetti Marinelli?) but I would be surprised and really disappointed if 2013 meant the end of prototype motors ie if all the motors in the class could be claimed.
Aren't prototype engines eligible as CRTs anyway?

EnRiCo47

November 10, 2011 9:36 AM

@ NONOU

What you said about a total year gone, wasted by DUCATI,is so true,mate,nothing could have been more concise but TRUE.
I am a ROSSI FAN , so i cry for this.

But in ITALY there is a saying "FINCHE C E VITA C E SPERANZA(While there is life there is hope).

Ps This doesn t apply to italian government and economy.HA HA.

Ciao
Enrico

Don-R

November 10, 2011 9:38 AM
Last Edited 987 days ago

@ rick65

Ezpeleta and Dorna have already announced their intention to make the entire grid CRT in 2013. Every bike entered would have to run a control ECU and a rev limiter, and run under CRT regs. The idea being to cut the cost of entry to the series.

However the MSMA (manufacturer's organisation) have violently objected, with some like Ducati threatening to leave altogether if it's enforced.

So I think this is probably the first round of bargaining between the two sides that will eventually result in compromise. Not fully CRT but not entirely prototype either. It does seem though that the days of full factory bikes are drawing to a close.

Smiler - Unregistered

November 10, 2011 9:48 AM

I think the CRT results are interesting. 4 secs off the pace of the 1000 honda which ais already a well developed bike.
The CRTs are not anywhere near being developed yet and with no disrespect to the riders they are not Pedrosa or Stoner.
I think with some more development they might just get amongst the back end of the customer bikes.

Sweeble

November 10, 2011 10:11 AM

For me it just depends on how many CRT teams they can get on the grid. If they can get enough for 2013 then they can just tell the manufacturers and their threats to s*d off. For me the racing in Moto2 has been stunning and CRT would make MotoGP more like that. Manufacturers destroyed F1 and they're doing it with MotoGP. Wherever teams and riders rather than manufacturers are the dominant force (Moto2, BSB, WSS etc)the racing is great, where the most important thing is the bike and electronics (MotoGP) the racing sucks.

rick65

November 10, 2011 2:25 PM
Last Edited 987 days ago

@Don-R
Agree that we are in the midst of bargaining, and I see Ezp's comments as a ambient claim ie an extreme that is unlikely to happen.
I see a difference between car and bike racing and that is that racing techniques are more directly transferabe to road products in the bike world. Consequently there is more incentive for bike manufacturers to remain involved in delivering a complete packages rather than just making an engine and leaving it to others to upgrade it and put it in a chassis. I think the factories will be involved in some form providing complete bikes, hopefully like in the 500s when you had production prototypes like the RG Suzukis and RS Hondas that were vaguely competitive. Add full factory and CRT teams to this and you might get a decent field for every race and close racing through the pack.
Am I an optomist?

rick65

November 10, 2011 2:33 PM

@Enrico
Neither a mechanic nor with OCD.
Just interested in the racing as a contest and also in the amazing bikes and all of the stunning riders that make it happen. I will probably not post much until the next tests as there probably wont be much to discuss.

Don-R

November 10, 2011 2:53 PM

@ rick65

That's the argument the factories are making: that prototype racer technology is more likely to filter down to road bikes (e.g. traction control, anti-wheelie control) and therefore they have little interest in a series that neither allows them to promote their brand or improves their commercial products.

I think the factory teams will still compete with complete packages of frames and motors in 2013, but they'll have to somehow concede some ground to Dorna. Maybe by making some of their technology available to other teams under CRT regs?

TedG

November 10, 2011 6:35 PM

People need to realize that there is seldom instant gratification in racing. New projects take time to develop. There is no hard fast set of rules to follow and have a perfect bike. You set a baseline and evolve.
Let's face it Honda and Yamaha have very evolved bikes with thousands of laps and years of development. Suzuki is in there to some extent. Ducati is starting fresh but their engine has evolved.
The CRT bikes are just plain new and can't be expected to throw down lap time like more established bikes.
I am happy to see Kawasaki back and BMW in. They will get them closer, but they also need riders.
It wouldn't surprise me if Suzuki went CRT just because they know how to make a 1000cc work damn well.

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