MotoGP » Will aluminium frame be Ducati's silver bullet?


"The positives of this bike are certainly the engine, which I like, and the fact that it handles a bit better than the previous one" – Valentino Rossi.

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nick881 - Unregistered

November 10, 2011 3:51 PM

People who say Ducati have sold out and are just copying the japanese teams are wrong. GP racing isn't about being unique it's about winning.

Do none of you read any other reports on crash or on other sites?

Ducati introduces the stressed member frame before in-season testing was restricted and before engine limits were imposed. Now, with current engine limits it is ipractical to have the engine as part of the frame, it does not allow you many chances to develope your bike. Read Ducatis press releases from the past couple of days, there are very sound engineering reasons to go with this frame, it's not a case of selling out of just pandering to Rossi's demands.

This, combined with the new testing regulations will give Ducati a much better chance of being competative.

Who knows? - Unregistered

November 10, 2011 4:37 PM

@rawdawg...
Simple... what would you do when the bike you design and build can't or hard to be riden and compete? Not only by rossi, but all ducati rider...
Designer and engineer build a bike, rider try it and give feedback to mechanic, mechanic adjusting it... But when mechanic can't tuning the bike, what will they do? Make their own parts? Or Tell the rider to ride the problem around the track?
That why they put rossi on the bike becoz rossi has experience on the winning bike honda and yamaha... Duc want rossi's precious feedback...

Tetley

November 10, 2011 4:57 PM

It makes me wonder how long Ducati can carry on with endless different frames and now suggestions of an engine revamp, plus the undoubted high costs of hiring Valentino. They must have used up probably all of their cash resources and be up to their neck in debt. With the perilous state of the Italian economy I wouldn't be surprised if they are close to folding. It was extremely brave of them to take on the much wealthier Japanes companies and their early successes added kudos to their bikes. But keeping up with the Jones's, or the Jappses, can drain the piggy bank and Ducati must be looking down the back of the settee by now.

matt5687 - Unregistered

November 10, 2011 5:17 PM

how come nobody has mentioned the fact that Rossi has said a number of times now that his position on the bike is also a big problem. If that was a minor problem, they would have at least sorted that by now so surely as much attention should be put on other areas rather than putting all eggs in the "alluminium frame" basket.

TedG

November 10, 2011 5:46 PM
Last Edited 1021 days ago

Of course it is going to work. Rawdawg is absolutely correct in his assessment of the engineer/rider relationship.
Look at what they can now do with the aluminum frame:
1. Move the engine around without moving the swingarm pivot point. That is a big deal.
2. Make one engine design (which they probably will narrow the cyl. angle for more adjust-ability) and be able to let it evolve.
3. Make frame changes like rake, trail, swingarm pivot point, rider position, rear suspension mounting points, and flex etc. In days or hours instead of weeks.
4. Change weight bias of the fuel tank, and other parts easily.
5. Not use up their engine allocation by making changes .
And with unlimited testing they can:
1. Stop testing if a part doesn't work, rebuild it and continue a few days later, where before they had to try to evaluate what was wrong and wait till the next test day.

continued......

TedG

November 10, 2011 5:48 PM

....continued
2. And most important, go back to the trial and err method of developing a bike. Something doesn't work try something else and let the actual rider say if it is working or not.

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