MotoGP » Will aluminium frame be Ducati's silver bullet?


"The positives of this bike are certainly the engine, which I like, and the fact that it handles a bit better than the previous one" – Valentino Rossi.

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bjr - Unregistered

November 11, 2011 12:28 AM

Something to consider from a left field discipline regarding different materials.

Many moons ago I purchased a real cheap @rse volin, made of wood like the rest and looked like the rest, but it just didn't quite play right. It was my first volin and I didn't know (or care) any better.

Fast forward many years later and only know when you perform frequency analysis on the notes you can see the problem, some notes play fine, some don't. In all cases the fundimental frequency is spot on but some notes have wierd harmonics that are beyond my scope to fix.

I don't beleive for one moment there's anything "wrong" with the Ducati, Stoner showed the bike isn't slow, I believe it's a case of tuning the feedback to the rider which may or may not be possible with the choice/configuration of materials. You can make a violin out of anything and it will play the notes at the right frequency, but it just won't sound right, same as the Ducati can go around a track quick, but it doesn't feel right.

miki - Unregistered

November 11, 2011 12:34 AM

yeah I agree with the first post , Ducati copying the Japanese, but then Honda were the first to use twin spar, so all the other Japanese copied it from them... oh and it was invented by a spanish guy.....

shamarone

November 11, 2011 12:35 AM

re: "That was also noted by Burgess who was impressed by how much room for adjustment the Yamaha offered -and also how they (Yamaha) were changing many things at once, thus never finding what really needed fixing."

why that's the easiest sort of all. it's called DISCIPLINE and it costs zero dollars to implement.

Liam48

November 11, 2011 12:43 AM

@rossi4life46 I am Rossi fan but what you said has just made us all look like idiots. Yeah Rossi developed the Honda and Yamaha but the last time he raced a Honda was 2003 so everything he developed won't be used now. I agree he is the most talented guy out there but Stoner is giving him a bloody hard time, Stoner is on the form of his life and is going to be difficult to beat. It'll be hard for Rossi to beat him but if they can get that bike working and competitive he can challenge Stoner and remember give Rossi a sniff of victory he'll fight hard for it. Remember to think a bit more before you say something. I to like you have my fingers crossed Rossi and Ducati will build a good bike and be back up front next year.

shamarone

November 11, 2011 1:10 AM

re: "Ducati introduces the stressed member frame before in-season testing was restricted and before engine limits were imposed. Now, with current engine limits it is impractical to have the engine as part of the frame".

actually, this design was impractical even when there was more testing and there were no engine limits. this is grandprix, when you're a boffin who knows what they are doing, self-limiting your ability to "adjust" is a bad idea from the word "GO". if ya wanna place limits...? ya place them on consumers who only "think" they know what they're doing. not degreed engineering professionals with 100+ years combined experience...? it's their JOB to figure things. ask aprilia.

Brian C. - Unregistered

November 11, 2011 1:16 AM

Not saying I told you so but two years ago I said Ducati needed to ditch their ridiculous CF frame for a more conventional twin spare aluminum frame. Now with Rossi on the team they knew they had to do something. Casey did well because he could ride that bucking/tossing bronco of a Duc but as you can tell it didn't always lead to great results. Now there is no excuse. Stay with the twin spar frame and give your team what they need to win. Oh -- and GO HAYDEN!

shamarone

November 11, 2011 1:24 AM

re: "As long as the bike they race in WSBK in 2013 is the 1199 then they will be fine. What manufactures change or doesn't change on MotoGP race bikes have nothing at all to do with bike sales."

re: "Those "development" myths and exaggerations were firmly tucked away and put to sleep. Development mostly depends on the engineers."

re: "Engineers and riders both need each other but the rider's part has been over romanticized. Riders help identify the problems but it's the engineers who fix the problems and come up with new solutions."

re: "It wasn't his fault the bike was a piece of junk and he isn't the one that is going to be crunching any data and doing any anaylsis back at the factory to solve the bike's problems.

i hereby pledge my support to all these comments by rawdawg. F'n A...!!! (insert thumbs up emoticon here)

shamarone

November 11, 2011 1:40 AM

re: "Now they have a platform that has a good engine and a modifiable frame, not to mention unlimited test time."

not an entirely good engine and not the entirely mod-able frame they need. i'll give a gold star to the first person who can look at that close up shot of the ally GP12 and tell me what's wrong with the picture and what corrections will be forthcoming...? hint, it's not that they've switched to aluminum. that would be too easy. :)

willybat - Unregistered

November 11, 2011 1:43 AM

to crash and the armchair fans il explain the problem with this bike as most you are saying there are no excuses left etc...

the frame is the first step.. the second to get the bike handling like they need to will be a very narrow angle V, currently they are usuing an L config, using an L config motor for these kind of corner speeds is no good because it doesnt put enough weight on the front wheel and thats why they have front end washouts. an L shape motor sits to far back so its only the cyclinder head thats close to the front.
by usuing a narow V the motor will sit more towards the front end allowing them to have a better trye contact patch in the bends so dont get your hopes up until ducati build thats V motor.
theres rumours ducati will build a V motor and thats the only thing that will cure there problem.

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