MotoGP » What's the story? Rossi and Ducati (2)

"The bottom line is that the gap to the front is exactly the same as it was at the same test 12 months ago..."

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motogpfan - Unregistered

November 22, 2011 11:44 AM

Funny how after 1 year with Rossi the Ducati has fatal design flaws, yet 3 years of Casey saying it had flaws, all blame was put on the rider and people are only now writing articles of how bad the bike is?

Good read nonetheless!


November 22, 2011 11:56 AM

I don't agree that Rossi hasn't become a bad rider, just that the Ducati is showing the flaw in his riding. That is not to say he is a bad rider, just one element of his riding.

He previously got away with aggressive passes. He doesn't now. I highlight the crash at Phillip Island and at Jerez. Both passes were poorly timed from a strategy point of view. There was still plenty of time in both races and better places to attempt a pass.

Ray Watson - Unregistered

November 22, 2011 12:02 PM

I am going to throw the cat in with the pigeons here.
Since Stoner started racing in MotoGP, Rossi had a few years experience on him. Stoner ran a second level bike his first year.

In that time, both have 2 world championships.

Stoner has 1561 points, Rossi 1539.
Stoner has 34 1st places Rossi has 24

Check yourself on the results from

I rest my case who is the GOAT !!!!!

ondablade - Unregistered

November 22, 2011 12:21 PM

The bike clearly has problems, but it's also years since the glory days - when the star rider had a comfortable 0.5 sec a lap in hand over a field that by and large didn't contain today's quick guys.

It brings the story of the emperor and his clothes to mind - on several counts. It's hard not to think that if it was another rider and factory we'd be calling a spade a spade, and the whole affair would have progressed and be seen very differently...


November 22, 2011 12:26 PM

2012 is the year that Rossi and Ducati need to make this work because if it doesn't I don't think he'll stay but saying that where will he go, I'm not sure if Honda want him on their bike and I think he'll have a better chance of going back to Yamaha than Honda that's if Jorge leaves. For the good of the sport I hope they turn that bile into a race winning bike, we need as many factories and as many people at the front as possible and the three best riders on three different bikes.

Smokin' - Unregistered

November 22, 2011 12:31 PM

Ray, you contradict yourself. GOAT is Greatest of All Time, not just the last few seasons. Rossi has 9 championships, Stoner 2. I would agree that right now Stoner is the better rider, but he doesn't have the longevity and number of titles Rossi has and so doesn't yet figure in the GOAT category.

tripoddave - Unregistered

November 22, 2011 12:55 PM

Good article(s).
It seems to me:
1. Rossi is stuck at Ducati until he retires. Honda wouldn't give him a bike under any circumstances and other than Yamaha(!) there are only CRT bikes.
2. Rossi is now suffering from a lack of confidence - not surprising after the year he has had.
3. Despite all the changes including Rossi forcing Ducati to move away from the chassis they've just launched with the Panigale - Rossi and Ducati are still 1.2 seconds off the pace.
This means that they have to find at least 2 seconds in order to be competitive at Qatar because the Hondas and Yamahas ARE going to get quicker.
I don't care what anyone says: Rossi and Ducati will not be challenging for podiums next year.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so.
Hopefully we will see a competitive Ducati mounted Rossi in 2013 because it will take that long IMO.

vr46 - Unregistered

November 22, 2011 1:11 PM

its no doubt that ducati are doing all their hardwork to fight for the championship but only if they can fix the problem. its hard work and not smart work. nicky hayden could have taken the task to upgrade the bike for 2011 as he had previous experience and data while rossi was not 100% fit . rossi cant be blame alone for steering ducati to the front then what is the contribution of nicky hayden???? lets wait for sepang test!!!

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