MotoGP » Edwards samples Forward Suter-BMW

Experienced rider Colin Edwards gets to grips with the Suter-BMW he will ride in 2012 under the NGM Forward Racing banner with a test at Jerez.

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sbkfan - Unregistered

November 24, 2011 10:52 AM

just to clarify, is a crt bike the same as a moto 2 bike (rule wise) with a 1000cc engine?

So surly the crt bikes when there more sorted should be good for 2 -2.5 secs a lap faster that the moto 2 guys?


November 24, 2011 10:57 AM
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Well I'm a fan of the concept and I'd love to see it work. I'm also usually first to say give things time, don't jump to conclusions and I can't abide armchair pros and keyboard warriors... but listen people these CRT bikes are just far TOO SLOW!

They will improve some granted, but only to an impenetrable glass ceiling of mediocrity next year. Essentially, whether it's designated or not, they will be in a whole other championship in 2012.

Dorna must give the CRT boys more of a leg-up and the manufacturers need to be more involved in the background.

rca - Unregistered

November 24, 2011 11:06 AM

@ sasha
re checa and the 1 min 41.0 its the first time on the bike and going from a season on pirelli to bridgestones all at have to factor this in surely?

bjr - Unregistered

November 24, 2011 11:15 AM

This is pure speculation on my part, but the engine supplied to Moto2 might be ONLY 600cc and not make a huge amount of horsepower (for a 600) either but you can bet that it an engine that works well in a motorcycle.

Aprilia went down the whole fly by wire, lets use car guys know how (Cosworth), and made a GP motor that had great dyno numbers but couldn't get the power down in a motorbike chassis and didn't respond to the right wrist properly either.

Jump forward to 2012 and believing that bombing the cr@p out of a 1000cc production motor to get the right HP numbers will make a motorcycle competitive is the style of thinking that went out of fashion 20 years ago when the Japanese started making bikes that could also go around corners........


November 24, 2011 11:37 AM

@ Studs

I do agree with you somewhat. But at the same time I think the speeds are effected by many different elements at present. I think the most important factor up until this point has been riders. Colin is a true motogp calibre rider, but coming back from injuries serious enough to keep him out of his last race for Tech3 and the first test. (This being the same rider who got a podium in the wet a week after breaking his collar bone.)

But I wouldn't write them off. THEY DO NEED TO PICK UP THE PACE, and the worrying thing is how late they've all left the development testing. ':-o')
I'll judge in the new year, once more finalised riders are confirmed. This was also Colin's first day (only 39 laps) on the bike. I'm sure most of it was data capturing and getting comfortable on it.


November 24, 2011 11:41 AM

The CRT bikes will get there eventually, because Ezpeleta will do whatever he needs to with the rules to make sure they're a competitive option.

Until then though, the worry is that having bikes on the grid that are that much slower than the factory machines might present a real risk. At the beginning of the year at least.


November 24, 2011 12:17 PM

@studs - it doesn't matter how slow the CRT bikes are, given that the whole field will be CRTs in 2013, the important thing is that they can race each other. I'm sure that BSB bikes would look slow in a MotoGP test, but the racing in BSB is far superior to MotoGP.


November 24, 2011 12:28 PM

Not clicked 'disagree' so many times ever!

What's the problem? CRT will comfortably beat a Moto2 time with more development- it's obvious.
It'll have another 100bhp and full electronics package.

If you could shoe-horn a WSBK 'blade engine into a Suter or Kalex frame (with Dunlops) it'd be fast, but take that same bike and fit Bridgestones and it'll be slower.
The reason? Development! The Moto2 bikes have had 2 years of testing and development. Matching the bikes to the tyres, honing the chassis and importantly allowing the rider to learn the bike.

By April these bikes will be competitive, and I bet if you put Stoner on one (with its extra 3l of fuel) it'd get on the podium.


November 24, 2011 12:42 PM

Sweeble, unless you're advocating a wholesale switch out of prototype racing (which is justly the very pinnacle of our sport and the only reliable driver of true engineering innovation), then it very much matters how capable these CRT machines are and how they evolve... and right now, the emphases and ethos is not correct.

Perhaps we should just scrap the prototype concept altogether and just soup-up some sportsbikes straight off the showroom floor? It might catch on you know and we could call them superbikes... yeh, world superbikes even!

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