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A look at lap time consistency in 500cc/MotoGP

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marlborolight - Unregistered

December 12, 2011 6:17 AM

I respect the intention in this.

Rather than bleeting on about how MotoGP has got boring and there is not enough overtaking, which now seems to be an opinion taken as fact in some places, at least this asks the question of whether there is any actual proof that the bikes have got easier to control.

The argument that consistent lap times can be used to decide if a bike is easier to control is also fair. I think.

As others have said, the number crunching could have been done differently. But whatever statisitical analysis was done some would say another approach would have been better.

I dont think there is a right or wrong answer in terms of averaging, upper and lower quartiles etc. You'd probably need to try different methods and see which results fitted in with the 'best' and 'worst' races.

Taking this thinking one stage further, does anyone think that there could be a human limit to how consistent a rider can be?

In other words, a bit like reaction times, if a rider goes bey

marlborolight - Unregistered

December 12, 2011 6:20 AM

...if a rider goes beyond a certain point (say 10 laps all within 0.1sec, in practice or the race) it must mean there is significant 'outside assistance' (technology) at work, rather than human control?

Southerner

December 12, 2011 5:00 PM

Good article Crash. One cannot cover all bases but what does ring true is that raw speed without consistency means little over race distance. This applies to machinery,tyres and riders. Hence the emphasis placed on consistency once you have the speed.
Most viewers look for a thrilling last lap duel.
A racer focuses along with his team on minimum elapsed time over race distance.
That is not going to change next year. A last lap thriller will be there as ever (Valencia 2011) for the win,but I can enjoy a last lap thriller for the podium just as much (Motegi 2011).

shamarone

December 12, 2011 5:23 PM

re: "Is this motor racing or American Football?"

hmmmn, let's theorize for a sec. what if motorbikes WERE akin to the cash infused (ie. fan loved) sport of 'merican football. what might this look like...?

1. motogp bikes really WOULD be a 2-wheeled F1.
2. suzuki and kawasaki would've never left.
3. the riddle of the carbon fiber ducati would've long since been figured. LORIS was the one to crack it. now most teams run preziosi's full C/F chassis.
4. instead of 9 titles, rossi would only have 3. 2 during the 990's and 1 during the 800 era. all of which came while riding for the legendary kenny roberts proton team.

shamarone

December 12, 2011 5:24 PM

CONT:

5. honda wouldn't lend their V5 in '02, so being a rebel, roberts said screw it and built a V6 which proceeded to hand HRC (and everybody) their a$$. for 2012, kenny's building a V8 based loosely on the 22k rpm V8 drysdale.
6. michelin, dunlop, and bridgestone provide a competitive mix of tires to the field. from lessons learned supporting WSBK, pirelli joined in '07 coinciding with the 800cc era.
7. honda has only taken two 4-stroke titles, but both were with JAPANESE RIDERS...! tamada in '03 and aoyama in '11. hiro dedicated his title to those lost in the tohoku quake.

shamarone

December 12, 2011 5:29 PM

CONT:

8. haga became the 2nd japanese rider to take a motogp title. though the project started with some teething troubles, aprilia's cube triple came good the last year of 990's (with cash all things are possible).
9. taking a page from yamaha, BMW joined motogp (not WSBK) with a bang in '09 with their own crossplane engine. 1st year was top 10, 2nd year was top 5, '11 they finished 2nd to hiro. their "GP bike" is called the S1000RR. success in grandprix has been so good, they simply haven't had time to produce a road-going version.
10. 2-strokes are still present in all classes and it's TRIUMPH kit (not aprilia) that pretty much OWNS everybody in the 250 and 125 classes. triumph sells a 100,000 bikes a year off this success (the japanese are close, but no cigar). it turns out 3-cyl RAT-packers have a friendly rivalry with 2-cyl DUCATISTI as to who is the most passionate about their brand.

morale...? fan derived cash sorts everything.

Paddles - Unregistered

December 12, 2011 9:04 PM

the moral to your story is bang on the money shamarone. fan derived cash is what it's all about and that why we're now seeing this push away from a manufacturer controlled formula to an event management controlled formula, it'll be good for the fans to see more teams on a similar pace and it'll be cheaper for the teams/manufacturers to provide bikes, it's win/win for everybody. i like point 10, with the trumpies owning the small bore classes.

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