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RJM - Unregistered

December 14, 2011 6:45 PM

FYI the engine in a CRT bike DOES NOT have to be production based.

There's nothing in the rules that says it must be production based. Just that a factory team can claim it for a pretty small sum.

me - Unregistered

December 14, 2011 7:01 PM

@ shamarone

Electronic components are cheap, developing the systems and employing a team of specialists programming them is where the expense lies. A further added expense is the extremes of mechanical engineering that you can get into when you have electronics to tame the end result.

Also what's the point of the what planet are you living on statement, are other peoples comments not as valid as your own?

Bigskw

December 14, 2011 8:26 PM

I have thought about this for a fair while. As it stands MotoGP is not interesting, Moto2 and WSB and BSB yes love it.

I think that CRT is possibly the way forwards, yes we may lose full on factory prototypes, but CRT is only limited by engine, ECU, and fuel basically and no electronic aids..........this means that real engineers will be able to develop all other parts, and unlike Moto2 all manufacturer production engines are available, Moto2 has had full grids and being amazing to watch.

At the moment for BMW, Aprillia, Kawazaki, KTM, Suzuki to re-enter would cost extortionate ammounts of money, where as building a frame and swing arm and then choosing a 1000cc engine and then entering is much more viable, and if in 2013 the CRT's are the only bikes then factories can develope new engines for entry into CRT as there will be no factories to claim the development engine.

AS for rider enabling gizmo's personally i think they ruin it look at the probs at Ducati, BMW with leon haslam, M

Bigskw

December 14, 2011 8:40 PM

Sorry ran out of space, my personal opinion is that electronic aids should be gone, MotoGP should be about talent, and the best riders, BSB has removed electronic aids from British superbikes, and i think that CRT without electronic aids sounds alot more exciting.

Look at the BSB championship 2011 what a season and what racing and what a final weekend and final race, I was there and shouting myself hoarse, and bitting my fingernails at the same time..........WOW

This is only my personal opinion, and i look at this from a point of view where everything in the world has to evolve and change to move forwards

hello moto - Unregistered

December 14, 2011 9:02 PM

Do any journalists understand what the is going on in MotoGP? RRA agreements?! Two-strokes vs. four-strokes?! Secret plotting to reduce lease prices and thwart CRT?!

This is the issue: Dorna want to convert MotoGP from a fuel-limited formula to a horsepower-limited formula.

Fuel-limits are a soft horsepower cap, and they are extraordinarily expensive when the electronics are basically unregulated and the engines rev to 19,000rpm.

A rev-limited formula at 1000cc 16,000rpm with extra engines and more fuel should have much lower costs for new entrants. By eliminating the NASA fuel-computers and the pneumatic valves a lot more people can play.

That's it. No morality-based discussion about production equipment or the merits of WSBK vs MotoGP. No nonsense about RRA agreements that never work. If GP replaces fuel-limits with rev limits new people will join. By moving teams from satellite to CRT, Dorna free up money to buy new factory participants, and IRTA can recruit the engine-builders

hello moto - Unregistered

December 14, 2011 9:03 PM

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A CRT production-engine series is only necessary if all else fails. MotoGP hasn't tried 'all else' yet. In fact, the factory bikes are still fuel-limited for 2012.

hello moto - Unregistered

December 14, 2011 9:25 PM

@bjr

"There's no reason why CRT can't be applied to prototype racing, however it will force the manufacturers to remove proprietary technology from machines they intend to race. How bad the manufacture wants to win depends on how much information it's prepared to lose when the bike is handed over."

Exactly. Your point illustrates the difficulty of going the production-based route, and it shows why Dorna probably won't go the production-based route. If CRT's must use production-based equipment, Dorna will need homologation procedures like WSBK so MotoGP doesn't devolve into a contest between manufacturers about who can open source the most performance technology.

The current prototype arrangement makes more sense. If Dorna want the competitors to have a high-performance engine, Dorna should find a 'DFV' supplier.

Bryan G - Unregistered

December 14, 2011 11:20 PM

The fuel limit should also be abolished - it costs money for computers,flowmeters and software etc to get a working system. If the organisers want to look green why not run the bikes on alcohol,its a good fuel,safer than petrol and is capable of giving more power albeit with increased fuel consumption.It is made from renewable resources so you cant get more PC than that.Indy cars have run on the stuff for years and GP bikes used it until the 1940's. Speedway bikes still use it.

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