MotoGP » Bosch talks CRT MotoGP electronics

"With motorcycles the big difference is the dynamic functions, especially the lean angle. If you have a lean angle on a car you have a problem!"

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Wacko - Unregistered

February 17, 2012 3:18 PM

Edwards must be harkening back to his Aprilia Cube days! Bike guys trying to apply car logic has traditionally been a path to disaster. Wish him well!

tamil tiger - Unregistered

February 17, 2012 3:57 PM

All that care racing experience with electronics is hurting the BMW WSBK effort and has been since they started the series. If this is the model they are using in CRT, then they will have the same issues.
They need and ECU for bike racing not a modified system from car racing. Just saying...

Dean Dean

February 17, 2012 5:50 PM

I'd imagine it's like the magneti marelli Marvel ECU Yamaha use, in that the Bosch unit comes complete with various standard programs that a car could use also..but the technicians working for the team can add to the base settings with myriad other programs that are important to their application. Of course, you're bike is only ever going to be as good as the chap creating the program is proficient in creating the very best of software. Yamaha will remind anyone of this when they lost their very best software tech guys to Honda a couple of seasons ago.
I thought BMW WSB went their own way with their electronics..weren't they creating them in house ?? I could be wrong but I assumed this was one of their issues, they were doing too much in house development..

Smiffy - Unregistered

February 17, 2012 8:25 PM

you are correct about BMW trying to do it in house.
If any of you drive a car with ESP, no matter what make, it was most likely a Bosch system.
And before you all jump on the bikes are different bandwagon, the guy said they were in his interview.
They have sussed it up to the chatter boundary which will be mechanical influence, sort the chasis and they will probably find their problems will go back to finer electronics as the speeds increase.


February 18, 2012 12:02 AM

re: "I thought BMW WSB went their own way with their electronics..weren't they creating them in house ??"

yup, but only after having spent many many years with bosch. wouldn't be surprised if much of the original in-house talent wasn't hired away from bosch much the same way honda went after ducati & yamaha talent. thus the bmw BMS ecu's are essentially bosch with a different sticker. as he said, 70-80% of the programming is the same. an engine either has optimum curves for fuel and spark or it doesn't.


February 18, 2012 6:11 AM

I'm still confused as to why NGM Forward (and from what I can tell some other CRT entries) aren't using Magneti Marelli. It's the golden standard for practically every form of motor racing, including both MotoGP and WSBK. Very few dont use it. BMW are still stubbornly sticking to their in-house unit, and it's hard to argue it isn't hurting them.

I know that getting access to the highly customized Magneti Marelli systems used by works teams such as Honda, Yamaha & Ducati is out of the question. They have developed their systems to proprietary levels, and closely guard their secrets. But anyone is free to purchase the, shall we say, 'standard' MM electronics. Even you or me. Aprillia will be using MM, as they use it on their Superbikes.


February 18, 2012 11:47 AM

@redlinerush. Thats the million dollar question.
The answer is that the big budget teams can spend more on better people and electronics than the smaller budget teams and therefore achieve an edge. Naturaly they want it to stay this way.

In my opinion only Honda, with its own might and Repsol and Ducati with Rossis money pull, can afford to spend the big bucks required to achieve this edge. Yamaha no longer has Rossis sponsor money to throw around to acquire the top people and patents. One only has to look at all the news about the problems Yamaha is having trying to get a big sponsor on board the factory team to see proof of this.

Once Burgess sorts out the Ducati, which is starting to look imminent then it will be Honda Vs Ducati. But we will have to wait at least until mid season for that to happen.

But there are always uncirtain outcomes in life, like what happened when Ducati came out with the rocket ship in 2007 when all attention was focused on the little Pedrosa Honda...

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