MotoGP » MSMA, Dorna discuss latest 2013 MotoGP proposals

"A single bike per rider, limiting the number of mechanics per rider, setting a price cap on bikes..."

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March 27, 2012 6:24 PM

re: "He Can only do what the Factory Teams tell him...They have all the Cards and they know it."

this single comment by rocketR1 trumps any and all comments that have come before it and likely any and all comments that will come after.

no manufacturer of anything is going to allow an outside entity to use a product (that they make), against them. again, manufacturers are the source of all engines be they prototype or otherwise.

meditate on the following pearl of wisdom i provided in an earlier thread... "you can have engines without racing, but you can't have racing without engines". (you may quote me)

so unless a manufacturer is willing to play ball...? there ain't a damn thing anyone's going to be able to do about it. only those having respect for the manufacturers, their abilities, and the product they create will ever be able to come to this realization.


March 27, 2012 6:27 PM

re: "the factories no longer have any power over dorna , the contract with msma wich represents the 3 factories ran out at end of last season."

this would only mean something if a successful, 25 year old series known a WORLD SUPERBIKE didn't exist.

amakusa - Unregistered

March 27, 2012 6:40 PM

The factories are the ones who can choose to opt out n set terms 'or else'. Dorna has nothing. As shamarone pointed out, if u dont have engines u cant race. Unless if there is a manufacturer behind the scene waiting to be sole engine supplier. Doesnt mean its gonna be cheaper anyway...

Mick - Unregistered

March 27, 2012 7:01 PM

Of course the factories have no power in WSB!!!

Let us bore as big holes in our 888 or were leaving!
Change to 1000 4 or were leaving!
Change to 1200 twin or were leaving!

How are the manufacturers going to stop teams racing with one of their engines bought over the counter and tuned to death?
Yamaha and Honda don't rate WSB for marketing they want Motogp to work as much as Dorna do, so in fact do Philip Morris. If the MSMA didn't want they would have thrown their toys already.


March 27, 2012 7:01 PM

are you even aware of the crt's flooding the grid??
because if the factories go this is what will replace them , so your pearl of wisdom is flawed.
personally i believe they will work it out , but its going to cost them , they will have to lease satillite prototypes for 1 mill euro , revs will be dropped to 14500/15000rpm , waight will increase to 160kilo's next year and will increase again the following year , one bike per rider , these are the guns carmello is sticking to , so the factories either accept or leave those are the choices.
i believe they will accept , as these changes can only entice more factories to come back...the overall plan is to have everyone on equal machinery by 2015.


March 27, 2012 7:11 PM

the best way to bring the crt on level terms with factory bikes will to lease the factory engines not the whole bikes as seen in formula 1 or moto2 at a reasonable price. the chasis are to be built by the teams... this is more viable solution than all this idiotic rules...

some1 - Unregistered

March 27, 2012 8:36 PM

Dorna's proposals assumed the spectators is stupid like a rock. They ask us to pay to see and fantasizing MotoGP race is the pinnacle of motorcycle technology when the machine lapping around the circuit perform less than WSBK.

Any solution presented that didn't make the money in and viable to the team to have the best equipment is not a solution at all. The future of MotoGP is in hand of the spectators and the sponsors. It is where the source of the money coming in...

motomoto - Unregistered

March 27, 2012 8:36 PM

Oh Mick,
you give him way to much credit. motogp would have evolved with the times even without the man with the microphone. And building the entire brand around one rider, regardless of how great and charismatic he is, is plan foolish. No rider/player is bigger than the sport. Everyone ages, so you and Mr. Microphone do nothing while motogp retires along with the great one??? Bravo, great plan. Exploitation is so temporary, hardly leadership from a qualified visionary leader. Its nothing but an out of control money pit. And now, CRT superbikes sharing the track with million $ prototypes? It's THE consummate, desperate, no-thought bandage to heal a broken arm.

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