MotoGP » Ezpeleta: 15 million euros for a MotoGP team


"Honda now spends 40 million euros in its official team every year" - Carmelo Ezpeleta, Dorna.

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funnstuff - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 9:45 PM

MotoGP is a joke, the team that wins is the one that spends the most money on the bike.
Spending tons of money every year is stupid because it doesn't really equal developing the fastest bike technology we could have. It just means for those set of rules at that given time the company who spends the most wins and makes the best performing bike within those rules. A simple rule change means faster/better bikes and even for less money.

Loosen the rules and cap the spending allowed to 7 Mil Euros for bike development and you'll get more teams and better racing.

Due away with the stupid speed limiting rules.
MOTOGP is stupid.

funnstuff - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 9:50 PM

--continued
Disallow bike racing that is not directly what we can buy on the street.
No more stupid things like 500cc two strokes or 800cc 4strokes. Only allow MotoGP bikes that represent the consumer market like WSBK except these bikes would be more of a prototype WSBK bike. In later years the WSBK bikes would be the previous generation MotoGP bikes and exactly what the manufactures would sell to the public for the street with reasonable mods.

In other words, MOTOGP should be the prototype testing grounds for WSBK and the WSBK bikes should be what we can buy on the street and do minor mods to to make then exactly like WSBK racing bikes.

Due away with all this stupid expensive over tech and retarded fuel limiting rules and adding weight to the bikes, etc.
Too many stupid rules.

funnstuff - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 9:55 PM

Too many stupid rules, and too expensive motorcycles.
Everyone who rides and mods their bike knows these MotoGP bikes are not the fastest bikes one can have because of the many rules.
So why spend multi million Euros every year to try and squeeze out equal performance within stupid rules when you could make equal or better performing machines for far less with less rules and gain more manufactures and have closer racing.

Everytime MotoGP changes the rules/bikes this plays exactly into the hands of Honda or Yamaha because they throw up the most money to build the best performing bikes the fastest. The rest of the manufactures cannot compete. Then after 5 or so years or the same rule set when the other manufactures might be getting closer to competing, MOTOGP changes the rules again, and all the manufactures have to redesign the bikes spending far too much money.
This is why You'll almost always see Honda or Yamaha winning the MotoGP title.

toddy34 - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 10:01 PM

The FIM need to show some leadership here. MotoGP and WSB are converging as DORNA try to cut costs in MotoGP and WSB allow more and more development of 'production' bikes. I can no more go out and purchase Tom Sykes ZX10 than I can Casey's RCV.

MotoGP is a prototype series and should have minimum rules - everyone know that the development of a competitive electronic package is THE biggest cost in MotoGP. They need a control ECU a capacity limit of 1000cc and ****** all else.

At the same time WSB needs to be bought back to something closer to the bikes we can actually buy - once again get rid of TC and wheelie control. It should be about mechanical grip and rider control. How about you have to run stock frame/suspension engine block and you can change out the pistons/rods and cams etc. That would be an interesting balancing act for the factories :)

Guess I'm dreaming though - the big players in both series are not going to allow the organisers to undermine their (very costly) compet

Natedggius - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 10:10 PM

@funstuff

I'll disagree with you, but only on most of the point you made.
In 2007 Ducati won with a shoestring budget, they spent half of what Yamaha and Honda were throwing at the bike.
In 2011 Ducati had a massive cash injection and spent a mammoth amount of money and it got them nowhere. Not to mention 08, 09 and 10 were Yamaha years when Honda was still spending like maniacs yet couldn't turn a trick.
Throwing the most money at a Motorsport doesn't automatically equall success. Just look at toyotas failed foray into F1.
And despite your comments, of making a better wsbk then wsbk and making machines that can soon be sold to us and within a few years be the new wsbk well that's literally what wsbk is for. To show how fast you can make a bike that you and I can buy.
Motogp is a development sport. Wether that has a future or not all comes down on if we want to pay to see it.F1 used to be a similar concept, but has been turned into a TV spectacle where any kind of radical develop

shamarone

March 31, 2012 11:20 PM

re: "Shamoron
Your dumbest namedropping post yet, if he did work for PwC he would have them running around on C90's."

mick... seek counseling.

re: "When did you last order machined crankcases? as you seemed to think you have the answers."

ahem, some of us don't have to "order" anything. i started in spring of '88 when autocad was release 10 (puck and tablet) and hadn't even been ported to windows. i design now in solidworks, program my own tool paths, and make my own fixtures. no worries, when you get to the 24yr mark, you'll have the answers too. for now, try to sit back and enjoy.

shamarone

March 31, 2012 11:40 PM

re: "Why not reduce cost to a realistic target of 1.5mil"

wait, just got a text from nakamoto. it's in kanji and i'm having trouble reading it, but he seems to be asking, "other than it being a nice round number, why the F is 1.5 mil any more or less realistic than 1 mil...?" guy seems really mad. :D

amakusa - Unregistered

April 01, 2012 2:25 AM

If Dorna continues to undermine MSMA n they decide to pack n go, all the best to the 2nd stringers on crts. Rossi will dominate with Hayden 2nd n a crt in 3rd around half a grandstand away. Do not forget MSMA also contractd the best riders without whom there is no spectacle. Unless Rossi vs Hayden is considered as one. The Jap manufacturers have abandoned a certain series before when its tyre rule hugely gave advantage to Ducati. Dejavu here?

justrideit - Unregistered

April 01, 2012 12:37 PM

money is not a problem for a manufacturer,
it is the competitiveness that make the difference,
if BMW spent 40 million euros with guarantee of winning a WC, then why not, they dont wnat to spent the money thinking even how big they spent they cant win WC.beside every manufacturer a lot of money for advertising, just like phillip morris,but if it sees no WC in the near future maybe they will stop it too,money is not the main reason why other manufacturer stay out of it, they sees no chance of winning WC.

honduc27 - Unregistered

April 01, 2012 12:44 PM

money spent is not the main reason, remember toyota entered F1 with a very big budget, but they fail, because those other who have been there long time ago had the technology that mponey cant buy,ducati think hiring Rossi with 15 million euro did not guarantee them a WC so money make no difference it is the technology behind it that make the difference.

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