MotoGP » Hayden: I guess sixth is pretty good


"Considering my injuries and limited testing over the winter, I guess sixth is pretty good" - Nicky Hayden.

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Brian C. - Unregistered

April 12, 2012 11:47 PM

"Hayden has over 162 starts on factory teams but only has 3 wins in MOTOGP. Hardly impressive."

Considering that Hayden was always #2 on every team he rode for, testing parts for Rossi, Biaggi, Pedrosa and even Stoner -- and the fact he became a MotoGP champion DESPITE the fact he was testing Pedrosa's parts -- AND the fact Pedrosa speared his own teammater in the middle of the hunt, I'd say his stats are impressive. Show me any other #2 rider on ANY team that was able to defeat Rossi. Answer? NONE.

some1 - Unregistered

April 13, 2012 1:37 AM

2 of those wins has beat 5 times motogp champion (at the time) that has 5 wins with just 5 points differences.

I say it's a 555 significant key to break the guy who was crowned can win on anything even on a scooter announced a few months earlier.

It also open a door for other rider to win a title on a bike and tyre that never win motogp title.

Losing title to a guy who had just 2 wins is just beyond pathetic.

Ktoom - Unregistered

April 13, 2012 1:47 AM

Nicky has a big heart and a great attitude, but he has never had and never will have Alien ability.

He would be fantastic in the Superbikes though....

AliensAreOverrated - Unregistered

April 13, 2012 12:09 PM

"Nicky has a big heart and a great attitude, but he has never had and never will have Alien ability."

If every rider was #1 on every team, there'd be no such term as alien. They'd all have the same bikes with the same performance and the same support team. Then you'd have anyone who could win on any race day.

"Losing title to a guy who had just 2 wins is just beyond pathetic."

It is, if you consider it was #2 rider testing and evaluating parts for the #1 rider, not to mention that none of his setup was confidential and the #1 rider, anytime he wanted, was allowed to copy the #2 riders setup and data.

Put Hayden as the #1 rider and all this changes.


Realist

April 13, 2012 7:30 PM

@ AliensAreOverrated


I would define an Alien by their ability (which is then supported by better machinery) rather than anything else. An Alien earns the right to the aforementioned support, thus, you have to demonstrate the ability beforehand. Hayden hasn't really demonstrated that.

BrianC

April 13, 2012 11:36 PM

@Realist

I disagree. Nicky was never "given" a #1 seat when he entered MotoGP. Pedrobot did and his "Mini-Me" Puig FORCED Honda to give Pedrobot the best machinery, equipment and support. Prior to that, Hayden sat #2 behind Rossi, Stoner, Biaggi, Barros, etc. (None won the title either, Hayden won it through sheer grit). You can't be an Alien when your team isn't giving you 100% support. Hayden has, and always will be until he's #1, been a #2 rider. Not for lack of skill, but simply for lack of support from his own team. At some point, Ducati should make him the #1 rider and put their pet project to bed.

BrianC

April 13, 2012 11:38 PM

One more thing. Pedrobot may still be #1 at Honda through Puig's manipulation, but the support is going to Stoner 100%. Pedro has ZERO titles and until Stoner joined, the last person to win a GP title for Honda was their #2 rider: Hayden.

Realist

April 14, 2012 12:24 AM
Last Edited 833 days ago

@ BrianC

Let's dissect this a bit. Hayden didn't come up through the feeder classes like Rossi(125, 250, and 500cc titles) and Pedrosa (125 and two 250cc titles), so he didn't have the MotoGP experience to warrant a #1 seat. Sure, he had his AMA title, but that isn't GP. Another thing to consider is that he entered GP and became Rossi's teammate. Rossi was already in well-deserved #1 slot, and won the title the first couple of years that NH was in GP until Hayden's '06 championship win.



Realist

April 14, 2012 12:29 AM
Last Edited 833 days ago

@ BrianC

cont..

Lack of support for Hayden? He was on the best Honda machinery in 2006. He was the only rider who was given the full season bike during the PRE-SEASON!!! One could argue that Hayden was, indeed, the #1 rider "internally". If that doesn't indicate that he was supported, I don't know what else would. It was almost as if Honda set Hayden up with whatever he needed to attempt to break Rossi's winning streak (which he did that year.......NARROWLY). It could have easily gone the other way had Rossi not crashed trying to make up for a bad start that race. They were so close in points.

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