MotoGP » Qatar MotoGP rider times: 800cc v 1000cc

A comparison in race times for MotoGP riders that finished both the 2011 800cc Qatar night race and last Sunday's 1000cc Losail season opener...

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Oli - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 4:11 PM

These stats are useless on their own, but how about Moto2?

The progress of Moto2 should be fairly minimal. Same engine, same tyres, just more experience with chassis and a few tweeks.

So how did the 2012 Moto2 times compare with 2011?

If Moto2 is slower then it suggests reports of the circuit being slower are correct.

If Moto2 is the same / quicker than 2011 then it suggests more that the new Bridgestone is not as quick. For sure 1000cc is a fast bike than 800cc at most tracks.


motomoto - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 4:20 PM

point missed (not surprising)
The change to 1000's was never intended to decrease lap times but instead make it cheaper for more teams to be competitive. The cheapest way (compared to technology investments is to increase displacement). Fuel restrictions prevent the larger displacements from reaching their true potential. A rider for a team with less sophisticated electronics (satellites & CRTs)could make up for that with the additional raw power as opposed to relying on the precision of the virtual "auto-pilot" of the 800s. It also should allow for more passing as the one slot-slot car line around the track is gone. The extra grunt makes more lines available. The quicker 800s did not make for better racing so no, we don't need to "bring them back". If you never saw the lap times, none of you would realize the time difference between this year and last. There is not reason to complain and there is no intelligent comparison of the Ducati development progress or any rider's adaptation. T


April 11, 2012 7:08 PM

It is interesting to see the stats. And it is very clear that the 1000 really suits Cal. But shouldn't forget a big reason for his improvement is also an extra years experience, last year was his MotoGP debut and also his first time at Losail.

As always some people are getting carried away trying to imply too much based on these stats. And remember, the point of switching to 1000cc and having new tyres wasn't to be faster, it was partly to reduce costs, to improve the spectacle of the racing and to improve safety.

oddyMob - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 7:15 PM

most impressive is Pedrosa, Cal has really only proved he is an awesome rider on the litre bike, his wsbk lap round Silverstone was worth 5th on the fully developed 800cc grid. Not to get carried away but this year could see Cal doing some great things based on his ride, that bike was moving!

Back on the old 990 honda Pedrosa struggled and people said size, remember he would be dead last in the wet and skip qualifying!, but on this compared to a bike that was supposed to be built for him (honda 800) to be quicker, and have tire issues?

funnstuff - Unregistered

April 11, 2012 9:15 PM

fun but meaningless comparisons.

It's not 'fair' to compare the best times of the very developed 800's vs the very first lap of the not fully developed 1000's. That also doesn't consider new tire differences - new is not always a step forward nor weather or track conditions.

Also, guys like Spies and Rossi got screwed this round. Spies and maybe Rossi will do much better next round.

let's see how these 1000's compare to the 800's at the last round.

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