MotoGP » Nicky Hayden gets MotoGP test time at Mugello


Nicky Hayden to join the Ducati Test Team at Mugello this week.

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Claes

April 18, 2012 2:47 AM

Hi
Realist
"Don't read too much into the use of the word "failure". By failure, I meant capable of winning a championship. I am well aware of what Stoner was able to accomplish on the GP, and I don't need a constant reminder (nor do I need to have my words over-analyzed)"
again Rossi is on the same scale but on a Yamaha did you call him a failure 2006 and 2010?? and again do not mention 2011:)
Cheers Claes

Realist

April 18, 2012 3:01 AM

@ Claes

Again, pay close attention to my use of the word failure. The entire reason that "failure" gets drawn into the discussion is because supporters of CS will purport that "the GP was a winning bike until VR got his hands on it". The reality is that the GP was just as troubled then as it is now, and Stoner's rear-steer, dirt track riding style was able to overcome the lack of front end feel. Conversely, VR came from a mini-bike background. I always respond with the outcome of the '08-10 seasons because, if the bike were as capable of winning a CHAMPIONSHIP as some would suggest, what was Stoner's excuse post-'07 season? People who make statements about the GP's ability can't have it both ways.

Realist

April 18, 2012 3:09 AM

@ RawDawg


I don't make any excuses for Rossi, however, acknowledging the vast difference in their riding styles addresses ONE of the MANY reasons why the rider/bike combination does not work very well. I expected more from Rossi and Ducati, and I am admittedly dumbfounded. Unlike most of you, however, I don't believe that it is because Rossi is washed up, too old, lacking talent, or any of the other pejoratives that are regularly mentioned in these discussions.

Claes

April 18, 2012 4:00 AM

Hi
Realist
A lot of Rossi fans suggest that due to electronics everyone can ride a MotoGP bike, right.
No electronics mean sliding the back a lot, and some Rossi fans say that if everyone turn off the traction control Rossi would be the best to handle it (on a handling bike), For example Spencer went to AMA after 500cc and in beginning of the 90's he was on a private RC30 with less power, he used the back brake to steer it and then power, and I rate Spencer one of the GOAT's, and I think that even though Rossi came from a Roadracing background I think he should be able to ride like Stoner, and I think to qualify as the GOAT you should be able to ride not just perfect bikes, correct me if I am wrong:)
and No Stoner could not win another WC on the GP8 9 or 10 because the bikes was average and also because he was up against Rossi Danni and JL on very fast materials, but he was competitive.
Cheers Claes

Realist

April 18, 2012 7:26 AM

@ Claes

I think that your suggestion oversimplifies it a bit. At this level of professional racing, the package is of extreme importance. It is an arduous task to win a championship on a machine that isn't capable, and success on lackluster machinery is fortuitous to say the least.

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