MotoGP » McWilliams: CRT doesn't fit MotoGP mould

'It is a strange move I think to put production-based motors in a prototype chassis and expect them to add to the spectacle of MotoGP' - Jeremy McWilliams

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kirk66 - Unregistered

April 27, 2012 2:25 PM

I hate to bring up the obvious here and most of you may be too young to remember, but the vast majority of GP history used "production-based" motors and specialized frames until the 500 two-stroke era of the late 80's to 90's began. You guys have to allow the re-creation of a class to take shape. It's not going to happen over night.
I'm not saying that you have to abandon manufacturer assistance, but if you tell the factories that they can develop the "production-based" motors for CRT with "control" CPUs then it's possible that factories can meet a hp output of about 240 without major issues. Since the teams would develop chassis and suspension pieces they could lease the motors for nearly 1/4 of what it would take to lease a complete machine.

MM - Unregistered

April 27, 2012 3:00 PM

One of the things people often forget when comparing lap times between WSBK and MotoGP at tracks they both use is that WSBK engines are in a much higher state of tune than is possible for the CRTs and they wouldn't be nearly as quick if limited to the 12 engines of CRT bikes or the 6 of MotoGP. Aprilia, (and others), are using an engine per race in WSBK, (i.e. 28 per season), whereas ART bikes are limited to considerably less than half that at 12. If they were using the same engines, it's a safe bet that the CRT's would be a lot faster than WSBKs. It's insane that they went to a one bike rule in WSBK but won't reduce the state of tune, which is where so much of the money's spent, yet they reduced WSS to 8 engines per season and Superstock to just 3 to save money.

Smoker - Unregistered

April 27, 2012 4:45 PM

I know people hate for the subject of two-strokes to be brought up, but every time I think about what would make a cost effective and potentially competitive machine for privateers I can't help but wonder what could be done with a Buell RW750 powering a current prototype chassis.

Sam Coleridge - Unregistered

April 27, 2012 4:47 PM

CRT is a sham and "making up numbers" is more related to how national & lower-level championships run their show. McWilliams is right to state “I think what they have done at the moment is taken away from the spectacle of what MotoGP is about”. CRT's taint the "premier" class.

@Percentage - - - I am anxiously waiting for the Monza round of WSBK/WSS!! In fact for the past few years I definitely look more forward to WSBK/WSS races than the premier class. You words are perfect, " Well, WSS and WSBK can get it right. The first two rounds have been crackers, close racing, style, overtaking."

9 more days to wait for Monza is too long!!! :-)


April 27, 2012 5:21 PM

Kirk66 and MM know the drill.
1. The Bridgestones are difficult tyres to ride, but with lots of grip. The SBK Pirelli's have less, so fewer chassis woes and are easier to ride. This promotes better racing.
2. It's taken BMW 4 years for their SBK to be competitive. CRT bikes will take 2 years before they reach their potential.
3. NOTHING will be like the 2 stroke era due to fuel restrictions and electronics. Sliding & bucking is all over. It's got nowt to do with 800 or 1000 engines.
4. Superbike will devolve closer to WSTK (like BSB) so suddenly WSBK won't be quite so quick, and then CRT will comfortably be the faster of the two.

Everything is relative and money is tight. As people have said, Moto2 & WSS provides amazing racing. You don't need 240bhp and a 10 million budget for entertainment!


April 27, 2012 5:22 PM
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You are expecting too much, they can't even remember when a factory team came in at the Pacific Grand Prix and was over 2 seconds off the pace when the bikes had only a dozen races delopement. They wont remember that far back when lapping was normal and added to part of the race, and a slower rider wasn't considered ridiculously dangerous but applauded for having a go. Go to youtube ffs there are plenty of 500gp.
The Above factory team in 2003 was over 3 seconds off the pace as was Jeremy McWilliams team.
I remember that year stood on the banks of Donnington as people applauded David Degea and Chris burns coming round 6.5 seconds off the pace.

Jon WSS used to provide terrific entertainment but now the gap is bigger than in Motogp as the tune has been allowed too much but nobody considers the bike 6 seconds a lap back in that dangerous.

leananglesensor - Unregistered

April 27, 2012 5:58 PM

the disparity between the C.R.T.S AND THE FACTORY BIKES makes me think they have no bussines being on track togethr at same time ,reminds me of when the A.F.M. DECIDED it would be a good pairing to let the 450 vintage class go out and race in our 600cc suberbike race,,,talk about oil& water!

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