MotoGP » Ducati: Full upgrade package for Laguna Seca


"We will not have the total package at Mugello. This is unfortunate, because Valentino likes the race a lot and it is our home track" - Filippo Preziosi.

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Moreno Juan

May 10, 2012 5:18 PM

The "new upgrade" will be more like an Honda than to a Ducati and results wont be better... but worse if possible...
Ducati dont need going forward, but backwards to the succesful Trellis 990 Cheste 2006 bike...
The problem was at the top of the bike (rider) from the beginning... VR46 if the best japanese bikes rider in history, but does not fit the Duke at all...

billace - Unregistered

May 10, 2012 7:45 PM

If power delivery is an issue why is it now being brought up. On Day 1 at Ducati Rossi was given 2 engines to test and preferred the softer engine.

Then later in the year he tested the GP12 and praised the power delivery and torque. This was the reason given for the change to that chassis and scrap 2011 as a development year.

He then tested the GP12 over many days without commenting that the power delivery was an issue. He only complianed about setup mistakes which can clearly be attributed to him and his team. They gave him an "unridable" bike at Qatar and that same bike became fun when they stopped fiddling with the bike and pilfered a setup.

Yamaha did have four engine and chassis configurateions available for him to choose from. The development work was done before he ever through a leg over the bike. He wasn't a bike developer then and isn't now. I think he was a better rider then without question.

Realist

May 10, 2012 8:49 PM
Last Edited 861 days ago

@ Moreno Juan

Why continue with the senselessness? If you're going to judge what a Ducati is, the GP ISN'T the measuring stick to be used. A prototype is a prototype is a prototype!!!!! Anything goes! The GP is not about Ducati nostalgia, and even if it were, the frameless design isn't a nostalgic quality/attribute anyway.

frame flame - Unregistered

May 10, 2012 10:50 PM

I agree with Moreno Juan. The steel trellis frame is the frame used tradionally by Ducati and was the frame that Casey won his Champioship on. This is a quote from Wikipedia..Ducati also extensively uses the Trellis Steel Frame configuration, although Ducatis MotoGP project broke with this tradition by introducing a revolutionary carbon fibre frame for the Ducati Desmosedici GP9. Casey had more problems with the CF frame.

Realist

May 10, 2012 11:13 PM

@ frame flame

We know that! My point was that the GP12 should not be used as the baseline for "all things Ducati". It is a prototype bike. Just because they are trying yet another design (with a more tried & true frame) does not make it a japanese copy.

bjr - Unregistered

May 11, 2012 1:16 AM

This is the real reason why more manufactures don't want to go racing.

It's a direct comparison between your product and another's. There's no points for style, tradition, marketing BS, look, feel, character or pasion. All those emotive things manufacturers use to differentiate their product from all the others so we buy Brand X bike and not Brand Y.

Unfortunately, all that means nothing on a race track and every couple of weeks you get to see your product getting hammered, televised live worldwide.

We all know that Honda wants to crush the opposition every round, but maybe if a manufacture were to adopt a "spirit of racing" approach they could put 10-15 semi-competitive bikes on the grid and conduct their own race within a race, a bit like CRT are doing.

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