MotoGP » Ducati: Full upgrade package for Laguna Seca

"We will not have the total package at Mugello. This is unfortunate, because Valentino likes the race a lot and it is our home track" - Filippo Preziosi.

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May 10, 2012 1:19 AM

Where do you guys come up with the idea that a twin spar frame is Japanese? The concept was brought forward by the Italians...yes...Italians...Bimota developed the concept and had the arguably the best handling bikes on the market. After that the Japanese introduced theirs. So TRADITIONAL must mean Italian.


May 10, 2012 1:57 AM
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@ donny

The problem with your statement is that you don't seem to know the history of the twin spar frame, and you liken the frame to being a Japanese copy (which is factually incorrect). TedG has provided some information for you to research.

donny - Unregistered

May 10, 2012 2:34 AM

I know the history of the frame,what i am talking about, is that the japanese, perfected the twin spar aluminum frame,Bimota designed the twin spar frame only, and used various engines including ducatis,when they went bust,that was when the japs perfected it,and since then, when people say traditional frame ,they mean the current frame that honda, suzuki, yamaha,have been using,oh forgot kawasaki,that is why everybody was screaming for ducati to ditch the carbon frame and use a traditional you get what i mean, or maybe i should say conventional frame. And do you agree that when it is all finished, it will be more or less a jap clone bike. cheers

herowassenna - Unregistered

May 10, 2012 2:45 AM

sorry donny, I disagree.
Japanese have always been notorious copiers of European tech. They will improve designs but they never invent it.
Consumer electronics is about the only area that they have been truly cutting edge, but even there you could argue that certain American concerns out perform them.

To take the argument to its completely illogical reasoning, are you telling me that Ferrari should still be using front engined space frame chassis because Cooper invented the mid-engined car?
Or everyone but Mclaren should be using aluminum honeycomb for their chassis because Mclaren developed the first carbon fibre?

How ridiculous. If a certain avenue doesn't work, it's stupidty to continue chasing a lost cause.
Or as Einstein once said "Definition of insanity, is doing the same thing and expecting different results!"

donny - Unregistered

May 10, 2012 2:45 AM

Yes i know a little of bimotos history, and what i can remember is that they used japenese engines in their frames, apart from 1 maybe 2 that was their own design,i could be wrong, i am sure you will correct me, cheers


May 10, 2012 4:51 AM

Whether Bimota used a Japanese motor is irrelevant, their bikes were among the best handling out there and that was with a twin spar frame. They made it work, then the Japanese copied it. So back to the point, the twin spar is traditional Italian.


May 10, 2012 11:14 AM

Preziosi and his chum Guareschi are @#$!ng useless and are already expecting failure hence assigning blame. They are clueless. its obvious Ducati have never had the skill to translate any of their riders input.

Marc - Unregistered

May 10, 2012 4:33 PM

Oilspud I don't think it's pressure from Audi as they're too new into this but it's probably management putting the srews to Preziosi for screwing up and not giving the man the needed tools to compete and win. He should have been fired for the debacle of last season.

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