MotoGP » Aluminium swing-arm among Ducati developments


“We worked on different configurations of the electronics, engine and chassis, including an aluminum swing-arm" - Filippo Preziosi.

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Sam - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 6:30 PM

@Yeah

Italians are not arrogant, they just have their own way of making things. Remember Lancia back inold days group B??? destroyed any car manufacturer you can think of. Alfa Romeo in WTCC how they destroyed BMW, Chevrolet, Seat...etc with that 4 years old front wheel drive 156 Alfa??? no need much explanation for Scuderia Ferrari in F1 series!!! and for motorcycle series, Japanese have their own way of making things, but remember almost 2/3 of their ideas are not necessarily Japanese.They just have the power to change things in their own favor, like they forced dorna to remove 2-stroke from the series. back to the topic... Remember the same Italians made the twin-spar work for the first time. Plus Italian motorcycle companies can never inject astronomical cash just to try 12 chassis in a single session for a rider that can never win a title like Honda did. Guess who that rider is !!!

Yeah - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 6:42 PM

Sorry about that Sam maybe i was to hard with the Italians, they created wonderfull bikes but they also have a big mouth you have to agrea.. There Dreams are not worcking and they have to lesson to riders.. Wsbk is good for Ducati but here him Motogp thers no help they have to worck. whith all this game Japonese bikes are winning a lot him competicion and has result we have one increased on prices.. because him one spot you Italians that say no hower bike is trully amyzing its one futuristic bike and the materials are to good and then we have 25.000 Euros one Ducati or Aprilia for exemple and one guy to to Yamaha and bye one Yamaha R1 and kick the ass of the other bikes on the track and i star tincking Damm after all, all that parts and style and price and bike runs like **** and they not Win regulary on Wsbk like they expect with such a great creation ohhh my Baby is wonderfull

Sam - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 6:59 PM

@RejectDonkey

Can you please enlighten us by your vast knowledge. Can you tell me which part of Honda or Yamaha is a Japanese idea or invented by Japanese?? because as far as I know the Twin-spar chassis is not a Japanese idea(Is Italian), the four-stroke v4 DOHC is not a Japanese idea(Mostly German)....etc ....

RejectDonkey - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 7:01 PM

@ dear Sam,
1. I've designed parts of both Al and CF. I even designed a Zinc cold pressed part which i there after covered with chrome. This part is to be find in many VW/ Audi cars such as the TOUAREG/ TOURAN etc.
2. I do not claim CF is a magic material, and I know well its limitations. I'm not only design parts, but I'm also in charge of testing these parts. A failure with this parts can result me getting injured .
3. Yes Honda tested 12 swing arms for Dani etc, but it is still within the same concept of design. JB and Rossi are forcing Ducati through rapid changes which are conceptual changes, and to many of them in a short period of time. Now if this will work for them, then fine, I'll take my hat of for them. But if not? What then? Is it still clearly Ducati's fault?? Or can it be that for once JB and Rossi are a bit wrong? Remember they struggled with setting up the Yamaha while Lorenzo usually were quite fast with setting the bike up.
4. I still like more the thought of Duc

MOTOGURU - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 7:08 PM

THAT'S WHERE DUCATI MESSED UP TO BEGIN WITH. THE BIKE WAS GREAT FOR THE GP7, GP8 BUT THEN FOR THE GP9 AND ONWARDS THEY WENT WITH THIS CARBON FIBER FRAME AND SWINGARM. EVER SINCE THEN HAS BEEN VERY HARD TO RIDE. I WOULD BET WAY TOO MUCH FLEX NOT STIFF ENOUGH OF A CHASIS.

MOTOGURU - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 7:12 PM

"IF IT'S NOT BROKE DON'T TRY TO FIX IT" THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A RULE OF THUMB FOR EVRYTHING. THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN ALUMINUM SWINGARM ON THE GP BIKES. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE ACTING LIKE THIS IS SOME NEW DISCOVERY LOL. FOOLS!

Sam - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 7:15 PM

What you were saying was "Ducati is copying japs and losing its spirit" Ducati never copied japs and their road bike are still have Ducati spirit in them. Remember this season Ferrari F1 team came with a radical design and didn't get result, then they realized it's not the way and returned to more conventional design and they got better results. Nobody said they're copying other people's work and are losing the Ferrari spirit. It's called racing and teams are experimenting with everything possible to get better result. At least Ducati is not bending rules or forcing Dorna like Japs did. One must ask why there's test ban??

Yeah - Unregistered

May 25, 2012 7:41 PM

Sam if what you are saying its true then you must say that Japonese have Ballss.. Because they where winning esay on 2 strokes.. 2 strokes was all about japan.. I tinck that they changed to 4 strokes because they whanted to used the appeal of motogp on road models they where worried about what was hapening him Wsbk series that allways helped more Ducati.. They whanted to used what we wach him 2004 CBR Road model they whanted to bring the image of the rc211v to the market at that stage everybody loocks to Motogp and say??? why the hell they pla with 2 strikes if they dont sell that bikes?? then after this stars the war of 4 strokes.. And if was japonese forcing dorna to do that was brave because they bring more manufactrs to the fight because they where related with 4 strokes.. And with 4 strokes they have the risck of not beeing able to be so competitive like was on 2 strokes.. I love 2 strokes but where passing there age of time

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