MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end

Casey Stoner rues the choice of hard tyres as he completes a race off the MotoGP podium for the first time in 26 finishes.

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Dave - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 8:58 AM


And another thing, how do you measure success? By my calcs, VR & CS have 2 championships a piece since 2006.

Iv'e stated it before, has CS under achieved or VR over achieved???


June 04, 2012 9:20 AM
Last Edited 1431 days ago

Hi Dave

So we're talking the six completed championship years from 2006 to 2011?

Let's look at the facts, then cast our opinions.

Two championships apiece.

33 wins to Stoner, 26 wins to Rossi (if those figures aren't exact, they're close).

Rossi on a premium bike for 5 years (2006 to 2010).

Stoner on a premium bike for 2 years (2007 and 2011. imo 2007 is a stretch as the next best Duke was 7th and I doubt any other rider could have ridden that bike to the championship, but, what the hell, let's not quibble).

That's the facts. Now for the opinions...

Rossi over-achieved? On a premium bike for 5 of the 6 years. Hard to make a case for over-achievement.

Stoner under-achieved? On a premium bike for 2 years, won the championship in each of those years. On a satellite bike in 2006, on a POS Duke for an additional 3 years from 2008 to 2010. Hard to make a case for under-achievement.

Who ha


June 04, 2012 9:22 AM
Last Edited 1431 days ago


Who has performed the best? I think they've both done an outstanding job, and Rossi's championships in 2009 and 2010 were two of his best I reckon. But with more wins and only 2 years on a premium bike versus Rossi's 5 years on a premium bike, for me, Stoner has clearly performed the better in the time both have been in MotoGP together.

Your thoughts?

Dave - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 9:31 AM


Facts are indeed facts and I'm not disagreeing with them which takes me back to my whole point, 2 WC each over the same period! VR has more WC over greater period and classes!

I like most of your posts and think we are generally on the same page, we simply follow different riders. Kinda Ford v Holden which says it all.

john hicks - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 11:02 AM

The Honda is just not as strong as the Yamaha,just look at how the Monster yamaha team have finish in front of the LCR Honda team at every race this year except at the Le Mans wet race.


June 04, 2012 11:10 AM

The sweet spot between the tires being not hot enough and over heating seems harder to hit on the honda and with KC riding it seems to present even more of a problem.
Honda generally seem to be struggling a bit compared to the yamaha this year with even the non factory teams looking a threat. There has been none of Dani's previous pace and at his best KC still hasnt the margin that he had last year, dont think they have both slowed, the honda just dosent look as easy to ride as the Yamaha and it seems much harder on tyres.

Jorge of course is riding very well as usual.

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