MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end

Casey Stoner rues the choice of hard tyres as he completes a race off the MotoGP podium for the first time in 26 finishes.

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June 04, 2012 1:39 AM

Honda have serious issues. If they don't fix the chatter, this year's title will be going to Jorge. At the Le Mans round the Honda chewed through the wet rear to leave both factory riders with no rear grip in the latter stages of the race. Then, at this round, even when the conditions were cooler, the Honda riders were not game to select a soft rear for fear of it not lasting on their machines for the entire race. Meanwhile, the Yamahas had no problem with the soft tyre from start to end. The Honda riders are doing a decent job with what they've got, but the bike has serious problems.

Great race from Jorge. Pedrosa was pretty impressive, particularly in the early stages. Gutsy ride from Dovi.

fastfisheye - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 1:44 AM

Hot temperatures on Friday and Saturday meant that it looked lke the harder tyre would be the one to use... once the soft was used for hot laps at the end of each session it was realised that they could go SLIGHTLY faster but also that there was only a small difference in degradation. Bautista mentioned after FP3 that he was considering running the softer option in the race but Crash experts shot down that theory suggesting it would not last race distance while at the same time stating 90% chance for rain.

By sunday with cooler temps most of the grid "went soft" due to cooler conditions and it proved right.

Casey is'nt making excuses, just got his tyre choice wrong. Lack of testing the soft in FP ? seems that way. Can't help thinking Casey is a little demotivated after getting the weight of his decision off his chest and will see this WC slip away to JLo.

Post race comment - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 2:38 AM

Many time Stoner has not been in the front bunch from the get go, and failed to perform. Combine this with his announcement to retire, and presto, this is what happens. Motivation and passion is what drives success. I think he has lost both (although I question how passionate he ever was)and without them will continue to dig a hole. I see that nearly everyone in the field had the same tyre combination as Stoner, and managed to perform. Still a whinger to the end. WE,we we we we we. Not many I's in their. So sad.

Aussie - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 2:57 AM

As a stoner fan I say congrats to JLO and his fans a great ride,has anybody now got any doubts why Yam picked JLO in 2010 as their No1 rider if they have they were answered yesterday,and if I was advising JLO I would tell him to stay at Yam because when stoner goes there is not another rider on the grid that will be even close,I will predict he will win in 2013/14/15/16 this year is still even money, the next 3 to 4 races will decide the championship.

Wellsy - Unregistered

June 04, 2012 3:01 AM

"Many time Stoner has not been in the front bunch from the get go, and failed to perform."

Pretty sure on his days on the Duc, he had to drop a few places while his tyre warmed up, then would race his way to the front for a win. The boy can race.


June 04, 2012 3:09 AM


"So the real question is: Does Bautista suffer from chatter?"

Ok, I'll bite. :) Why is this the "real" question?

I've thought about what it means if the answer is "yes". I've thought about what it means if the answer is "no". In either scenario, I couldn't think of anything that makes either the question, or a prospective answer, meaningful. You're going to have to spell it out.


June 04, 2012 3:51 AM

@ pcxmac
I think your reading way to much into Stoners result. Why isn't Pedro having these issues?
Stoners heart isn't in it anymore. That counts for a lot IMHO. To blame the Showa shocks is a bit lame I reckon. They have been doing the business for Honda for how many years?



June 04, 2012 4:19 AM
Last Edited 1425 days ago


"Why isn't Pedro having these issues?"

Umm... He is. We know he is because he has told us he is. He has told us about the chatter and he told us that his rear wet had no grip (because his bike destroyed it) in the latter stages of the Le Mans race, same as Stoner. The Honda has issues related to the how rear grip is being generated. Both factory riders have told us this.

I doubt that you are right about Stoner not having his heart in it since his retirement announcement. I'd say he is busting to prove that he's still committed to winning this year. We're both guessing, but that's my guess. Rather than losing heart, I think there's some easily observable (motorsport-based) explanations for his two relatively poor performances since his announcement. Firstly, in Le Mans, the Honda was much harder on the wet rear than the other bikes to the point the rear had no grip in the latter part of the race. In Catal


June 04, 2012 4:20 AM
Last Edited 1425 days ago


In Catalunya, in conjunction with the Honda being too risky a proposition to run a soft rear with, Stoner and his team failed to adjust the bike to the difference in conditions between the race and practice. Happens to the best of them.

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