MotoGP » 'Long list' of work needed at Honda

“We developed this whole bike around the old tyre and one third of the way through the season they've put a new tyre into it” - Casey Stoner.

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June 18, 2012 10:52 AM

Oh, and by the way, I don't see anyone giving Pedrosa crap for his comments?

And if you watched the race, at one stage they had the onboard shots from JL, while he was still behind Casey, with the little graph in the bottom left (like a slider with "brake" on the left and "throttle" on the right) showed JL on FULL throttle for about 2 seconds before Casey who was ahead of him...

Now I'm sorry for getting insulting fastfisheye, but it gets annoying when people are so quick to give Casey stick and dish out all sorts of criticism, but from what I saw, with Lorenzo being on the throttle fully WAAAAY before Casey, he was definitly having issues.


June 18, 2012 10:53 AM

Dacron, thanks for that clarification. Thats the tire the teams now have at their disposal so they have to work with it and especially Repsol HRC needs to figure out how to make it work for them. Nobody wants to see one rider dominate and run away with the championship so early in the season.


June 18, 2012 11:03 AM
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Nick I made your exact same observation about the throttle/brake graphic on another thread yesterday so I am not denying Stoner had issues.

The point I am trying to make is that we have all heard enough about HRC's dislike of the new control tyre... they should move on and work on the solutions.


June 18, 2012 11:39 AM


To a certain extent, I agree. They don't have much choice BUT to adjust to it. But if their reason for bringing in the new tyre is safety, and HRC Clearly state IT DOESN'T WORK for them at all, is it safer for HRC riders? I have heard that chatter is possibly the most unsettling feeling on a bike, so they can clearly not push as they'd like to.

Sorry, I didn't know that you had made that comment as well. I thought it was shocking. But I hope Honda get it sorted. Ben is looking better, and hopefully will be up front by Assen, and we could see Crutchlow and Dovi and maybe Bautista fighting for the podium, but I can't see anyone but Pedrosa, Stoner and Spies taking it to JL, and if they can't, welcome to another run away season.


drea - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 12:20 PM

cant believe people are so stoked about Lorenzo bulldozing away. After the boredom of last year where casey stormed away, i was hoping it would be a close racing season. Such shame with this tyre dispute. I cannot fathom for the life of me if one team prefers the older construction then why the hell not just let them use it?!

ghost - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 2:28 PM

right now jlo dominating the race and no one BLAME HIM, but if CS dominated the race last year everyone said it was boring season, so i agree with CS decision to leave MotoGP coz right now it's not HONEST SPORT AGAIN

SAM - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 6:41 PM

All the riders tested the new tyre and said it was better except CS. If Casey's so good then why can't he just ride around the problems, and why can't he tell Honda what it needs since he's so good at motorbike development? When CS doesn't have a bike advantage he starts to gripe.

Only 12 more races win or loose and he's gone.

bjr - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 11:23 PM

To be honest, at the last round the option tyre was only good for 1.5 hard (qualifying) laps, but Lorenzo made it work for the whole race while the Honda's struggled on the prime's.

The bottom line is, the bikes are too big, too powerful and too heavy and the tyre technology isn't good enough. At the moment it's like watching a reliablity trial instead of racing, with riders looking after fuel and tyres the whole race.

Get 'em back to 500cc and 130kg so slipstreaming works again and the tyres stand half a chance. Nobody complains that the lack of power in the 125/moto3 class forces "one line" type of racing that they claim the lack of broad power in the 800cc era did.

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