MotoGP » Hayden fast but fades, Rossi 'most difficult track'


“I think that the 'true' Ducati today was that of Nicky” – Valentino Rossi.

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So then what? - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 4:24 PM

@Marc. What happens when all the things that the greatest claims he needs get delivered and the results are still the same? I fear that the final nail is coming. It's not funny either.

Codger

June 18, 2012 4:25 PM

"Rossi needs to also step up his game and stop feeling he has to have the bike perfect to perform in the dry."
I'm not saying that you are wrong but it is Ducati that employed Rossi to help them make the bike perfect. Nicky rode his heart out, and by his own admission took a few risks, and to achieve what? He got beaten by Cal, who started last. Hector didn't achieve much, Rossi neither but he chose the wrong tyre, had a busted exhaust and rode a poor race anyway and still beat him. And the 4th Ducati rider has scored almost nothing all season. So Ducati have work to do at the moment, not Rossi and JB.

Realist

June 18, 2012 4:38 PM

@ Codger

Agreed! Objectivity is rare here. It's nice to see it employed. Thanks for staying grounded. :)

@ Liam48

Well said! You know what's funny? Rossi does better than Hayden (and Barbera) 9 times out of 10, but when one of them does better on the rare occasion, all of a sudden they are hailed as Ducati's saviors (and I doubt that anybody can save that manufacturer's GP bike if Rossi can't). It's so utterly ridiculous that I have to skim past those "contributions" to the conversation.

With that said, Hayden ran hard for a 1/4 of the race (like he did earlier this season...and good job to him), but the bike just can't hold up over the distance at that pace. It is a really sad situation for Ducati.

@ Marc

I agree about him being a technical rider (much like Lorenzo). They are very similar in that regard.

Liam48 - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 4:52 PM

@Realist you've got it spot on once again! Hayden I think pushed to within an inch of his life, dare I say I believe that he is riding better now than he did in his championship year but that Ducati is so bad that it won't show his potential let alone Rossi's!

I would live to see them both on a Honda or Yamaha because they would be both near the front especially Rossi! It is dad to see two world champions struggle so much on a bike that isn't capable of letting them ride they way they would like. I am counting and hoping Laguna's new package is the breakthrough but I'm not holding my breath!

Vilas - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 5:30 PM

Yes very true realist and liam48.. I also agrea with you guys.. If this team of riders on Ducati can t make te worck, no other rider will do best.. They have to worck and beliave on the Team..! I never was a fan of hayden had to be honest on this, but the realaty is that he grow up a lot, is now more consistente and he just dont risk until crash has he do him the past.. Much better now!! I dunni if him and Rossi are the best friends but they are worcking together iven with diferent styles and i like to wach that.. Its very nice for the Team

DoC - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 5:31 PM

@ Codger, now i don't know why Rossi was hired, fixxin the bike, just win with it, but didnt he himself stated he would fix the Duc in 80sec?

22 months still no improvement same old story.....

Codger

June 18, 2012 6:08 PM
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@ Doc, as Realist says it was JB who said that, and it was also about the satellite bikes with the multitube frame.
Secondly it is Ducati engineers that have to produce a Championship winning bike, Rossi was employed to help them. From Team Manager Guareschi:- ".....we must manage to give both of our riders the conditions they need to be consistently effective in normal conditions. We'll continue to work toward that goal, step by step."
Even in Casey's hands, risking crashes to give them wins, it didn't achieve much after 2007.
If Ducati,(despite Rossi,Nicky, and JB's input) fail, they will be remembered as also rans, it won't damage Rossi's or Hayden's image, and it has already enhanced Stoner's.

TedG

June 18, 2012 7:47 PM

I don't think that anyone at Ducati expected as big a disaster as this. If things don't improve soon, as much has I hate to say this, Rossi is (or already has) going to let Ducati know that the writing is on the wall and they had better deliver a bike that is showing signs (big signs) of improvement or else.
There isn't a sponsor or a team out there that doesn't know that Rossi is quite capable of riding a competitive bike to the podium almost every race. He could easily get his own team going and draw in big sponsors. He still is the major draw in MotoGP,win or lose.

some1 - Unregistered

June 18, 2012 7:59 PM

Ducati made magnificent GP07 because Capirossi pushed the GP05 and GP06 to win a few races. So do Stomer pushing GP08, GP09 amd GP10 to win several races and Ducati should get a result with GP11. But as written on the stone, Rossi has changed most of GP11 fundamental before the season started.

So they would never know how far Ducati has improved since. Only a glimpse of increment from Hayden 1st test result at Valencia 2010 known they're actually moving forward before Rossi ruin it.

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