MotoGP » Hayden fast but fades, Rossi 'most difficult track'

“I think that the 'true' Ducati today was that of Nicky” – Valentino Rossi.

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June 19, 2012 6:52 PM

TedG: You seem to be forgetting that at the end of season test immediately following the 2010 finale, Rossi got on Stoner's Ducati and was 1.5 seconds per lap slower than Stoner, while Stoner hopped on the Honda and was immediately on race-winning pace. Rossi's fans started making excuses on that day and haven't stopped since, and a year and a half later Rossi is still basically the same distance from the frontrunners. Sad but true.


June 19, 2012 7:19 PM

What is your point? Stoner jumps on the most sorted out motorcycle in MotoGP and is fast. Rossi jumps on a bike that Stoner has been developing for years and years that no one else had any results with and with a munged up shoulder can't ride it. So what? Has anyone taken the time to look at Rossi's race times compared to Stoner's in many cases he was just as fast or faster. Big deal. The whole point is that the Ducati is not up to par with the other factory prototypes and it isn't going to get better overnight. He is basically on a new bike that has very little information on how it works on the different tracks.


June 19, 2012 7:31 PM

The turning point will be when Rossi and Nicky test the new engine. If it is what Rossi and JB asked for and it works, then the Satellite bikes will have to watch out. When they've tuned it in then the podium will be theirs.
If it doesn't work then Nicky will be on his own, Rossi will move on.


June 19, 2012 7:46 PM

I have to agree with what you say. Ducati engineering not only needs to keep up, but leap frog from where they are now. With all the money that PM has, one would think they would throw some engineers into the mix that could bring them forward.


June 19, 2012 7:51 PM

TedG: My point was that Rossi's fans have been making excuses for his lack of performance since the first day he swung a leg over the Ducati, and your latest post perfectly supports that assertion. Cheers. :-)


June 19, 2012 8:02 PM

This is not a Stoner vs. Rossi topic, so let us agree to disagree.

Back on topic, I am wondering how much improvement they are expecting? And are they going to improve the chassis and swingarm.

M1M - Unregistered

June 19, 2012 9:35 PM

I don't get the impression that the new engine will be anything revolutionary with a narrower angle that would allow better mass distribution to sort out the front end. Ducati marketing is too wedded to the 90 degree L. (Even in the wet, the Yamahas were able to turn tighter than the Ducatis and have smoother power delivery, so it's hard to say why the 'Ducks' take to the water so well.) The new engine will probably have a heavier crank with smoother power delivery at the expense of some top end. Whether this will be enough to make it competitive is a moot point. Before crashing out in qualifying, Hayden did a great job, posting fastest times for the first two sectors and showed potential in the race. I find it strange that Rossi is taking so long to learn the circuit. He should try following his team mate for a few laps in practice. There's no shame in that if he needs to catch up. I remember Roberts showing his team mate Lawson round circuits to teach him the best lines.


June 19, 2012 10:05 PM

Here is that article translated (from BabelFish, so I apologize in advance if some of the words are scrambled):

Valentino Rossi is increasingly disillusioned with Ducati, at Silverstone the doctor lived the most disappointing weekend and launched an ultimatum "In 2013 I want a competitive bike." Ducati if he wants to keep it must revolutionise everything else in the future of the world there is 9 times the Honda customers


June 19, 2012 10:06 PM


"The only thing that matters to me next year is to have a competitive bike. If the Ducati was now, I could sign the renewal already now ". The message that Valentino Rossi has launched the House of Ducati at the end of the weekend the most frustrating and disappointing season (in which grossed over 20 seconds from teammate Hayden and was also protagonist of a slip, fortunately without consequences in tests) was unclear and inscrutable.

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