MotoGP » Frustration as Spies loses out to Dovi again


Ben Spies notches up another fourth place result in Germany, but finishes behind Andrea Dovizioso again.

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jimmy - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 1:52 AM

**yah: You talk BS. Get some facts before posting. They've both won one race in the MotoGP class, Spies after 25 races, Dovi after 28 races, so not so much of a difference here. And Dovi is the 2004 125cc world champion.

jimmy - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 1:56 AM

And btw, some of the pro-Spies propaganda here is just hilarious. We'll see at the end of the season. But if Dovi on a satellite bike will be in the overall standings ahead of Spies, he should get his seat.

M1M - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 2:37 AM

Spies will look a hubristic fool after tweeting that it's necessary to have the right passport in MotoGP because unless he turns around his season and keeps beating the satellite bikes from now on, it will be obvious that it's only his US passport that's keeping him in the factory team.

Don-R - To paraphrase the old joke about the two men running from a bear...
Spies "Nobody can beat Lorenzo on a Yamaha."
Dovi & Cal "We don't have to beat Lorenzo, we only have to beat you!"

It's true Dovi "only just beat Spies today" but he did it on an inferior bike and if Spies had only just beaten Dovi, his fans would be claiming, "A win is a win and that's all that matters."

joe850

July 09, 2012 2:47 AM
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last year spies said about Lorenzo" I don't understand how he can go that fast" It made me sort of feel like I could forget about seeing big results from Ben and I probably never will until he changes this statement to:" I can and I will beat this guy"

dc - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 3:00 AM

Ben is a tough racer, but he's also not stupid enough to try something crazy and throw the bike away. When he says he doesn't have the edge grip or acceleration to get past Dovi or get close enough to out-brake Dovi, I tend to go ahead and trust his words over anyone who posts here.

That said, I DO think his crew is in over their head in a lot of ways. Houseworth was in AMA for a long time working on Superbikes, so he knows those, but I wonder if the prototypes are still above his knowledge, and maybe causing some of Ben's setup issues.

One thing to remember though, Ben has rarely been crazy fast for FP1 even during his WSBK days. He takes a methodical approach and is usually there come QP. I can't help but think the race would have been VERY different in the wet, since he had his setup figured out for those conditions.

dc - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 3:02 AM

And you guys need to stop with this 'inferior bike' nonsense. ALL of the M1s on the grid are the same currently. Just as all of the RC213Vs are the same.
The only prototypes that have gotten any upgrades really are the Ducatis.

Next year, and maybe even later this year, you'll start to see the big differences between Factory, and Satellite bikes. Not this year. Everyone started fresh this year, remember?

PZ - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 3:21 AM

I dont know what is going on this year. I was truly hoping to see Spies take another small step forward this year, but so far it is not the case.

None of us cant really know what has changed with Spies this year, but it's obvious he has less confidence in the bike. The previous 2 years if he had been within striking distance, it was a pretty good bet Ben was going to come out on top. He regularly had Dovi's and Simoncelli's number. This year he seems too timid to pass.

About the only improvement he has made this year is his early race performance, but everywhere else he has fallen behind. One thing I've always noticed about Ben and what I view as a weekness is his mistakes. The aliens all put the bike inch perfect every lap consistently, Ben tends to be all over the place and runs wide far too often. At this level you cant make many mistakes and trying to fight back from them just leads to more since these guys are on the edge. You can always view this is Ben's lap analysis as he of

M1M - Unregistered

July 09, 2012 3:29 AM

dc Perhaps you're new to the sport so I'll make allowances. Do you know how many new frames the factory Repsol Honda's have had these year so far? Do you think that the Gresini and LCR bikes have had the same upgrades? The works Yamahas have had the advantage of a new generation ECU and mapping and are also ahead in chassis development so it makes Spies's lacklustre performances against the Tech3 bikes pretty inexcusable with the exception of Assen, where, due to a combination of riding style and set up, his tyre began to fall apart.

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