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“…and also tried some different engine specification to help us choose the direction to work in for the future” – Jorge Lorenzo.

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Cammyspop

July 17, 2012 10:41 PM

Yes Lorenzo has always been smooth. And yes there's no doubt that this has helped him to avoid the chatter issues other riders have suffered.

However saying that "it's a shame Lorenzo's settings don't suit Ben" is to miss a fairly major point. I believe that one thing that has put the Tech 3 Yamaha's in front of Spies regularly this year is that they have not only learned from Lorenzo's settings, but also from his style.

There are big elements of style that are easily seen and therefore relatively easy to copy. Think the Rossi leg wave or McCoy crazily spinning up the rear to prevent the tyre from overheating* which was easy to copy but harder to master.

Something like Lorenzo's style is much harder to copy, probably impossible without access to his telemetry and of course hi-motion video. Of course only Yamaha riders have access to the former, but Spies is among them. Mugello apart he seems to be learning, but rather slowly.

Of course the rest of the field will find it harder to

there there now - Unregistered

July 17, 2012 11:07 PM


@Cammyspop:

Blimy Cammy you get about a bit, but always have well thought out comments, still one part confuses me , it's

" one thing that has put the Tech 3 Yamaha's in front of Spies regularly this year is that they have not only learned from Lorenzo's settings, but also from his style. "

Do you primarily have Dovi in mind, as Cal although a great rider, is the complete antithesis of a smooth rider, but has i think never complained of chatter, can you elucidate this quandary.

Cammyspop

July 17, 2012 11:17 PM

The way I see it Dovi is the one who learned from Lorenzo, it's very much in his nature to do so.

However I also think that Cal has learned a lot from Dovi this year. So he is indirectly learning from Lorenzo. Two things I think you can say about Cal this year - he's faster than ever and he's also smoother than ever. Could the two be related?

You have to ride a MotoGP bike more smoothly that Supersport or Superbikes and that's something most riders coming from those disciplines seem to find hard to learn. Spies in particular seems to be having difficulty emulating Lorenzo. I'm sure he can learn, but I think it is taking too long.

there there now - Unregistered

July 17, 2012 11:37 PM


@Cammy:

Agree Cal has got smoother than his WSS days and is still learning, and Dovi's riding style is very similar to Jorge that's why he's adapted so well to the M1, Ben is the puzzle. in WSB he seemed mentally tough and the complete package, and at the beginning of this Moto gp season was very strong, but now things seem out of control with technical issues, mistakes, health problems it's all very odd. whats your take on it.

asefi

July 18, 2012 2:11 AM
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@CRT

From what I've managed to read and research, I was always under the impression that Valentino was the only one with a "true" M1 during the 990 years.

Yes, Edwards was a test mule for not only Yamaha, but Michelin, as well.

I guess it's only up to speculation how close the specs were between Rossi's M1 and the other Yams.

Nothing like it is today as the satellite bikes are pretty close to the Factory bikes.

I mean, they used to run Dunlops back in the day!

I guess the point I am trying to make here is that you can't compare the RCVs during the 990/800 eras to the M1s because there was only one true M1.

And as we have seen there have been a couple true RCVs/NSRs outside of the Repsol Squad.

kiwibob

July 18, 2012 5:31 AM

i just think it will come down to bikes and riders for tracks as in the last 2 weeks we had honda beat yamaha by 15 seconds next week yamaha beat honda by 5 seconds and now everyone saying wow m1 is the bike well i will wait and see as lorenzo was always going to win at mugello

King Kenny - Unregistered

July 18, 2012 9:35 AM

A few things:

Spies doesn't want to emulate Lorenzo's riding style. He even refused Lorenzo's offer a few GPs ago to have Spies follow him around the track for a few laps to see if that would help Ben. But Spies did, until very recently, try tu use Lorenzo's setup to solve his own setup issues, although in the end he had to give up because he said he can't ride with Jorge's setup. That's what I meant: a setup can be good for different riding styles, but apparently not Lorenzo's, as Rossi also couldn't ride well with it.

The Tech3 riders often say this season how they are studying Lorenzo's data to emulate his style, but I don't buy it. First, I don't see any of them riding differently than they used to, other than the differences that come from the new bike. Second, and more importantly, both Tech3 riders are doing so well this season because they are great riders on a great bike, not because they're learning from nobody.

King Kenny - Unregistered

July 18, 2012 9:35 AM

A few things:

Spies doesn't want to emulate Lorenzo's riding style. He even refused Lorenzo's offer a few GPs ago to have Spies follow him around the track for a few laps to see if that would help Ben. But Spies did, until very recently, try tu use Lorenzo's setup to solve his own setup issues, although in the end he had to give up because he said he can't ride with Jorge's setup. That's what I meant: a setup can be good for different riding styles, but apparently not Lorenzo's, as Rossi also couldn't ride well with it.

The Tech3 riders often say this season how they are studying Lorenzo's data to emulate his style, but I don't buy it. First, I don't see any of them riding differently than they used to, other than the differences that come from the new bike. Second, and more importantly, both Tech3 riders are doing so well this season because they are great riders on a great bike, not because they're learning from nobody.

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