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“…and also tried some different engine specification to help us choose the direction to work in for the future” – Jorge Lorenzo.

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King Kenny - Unregistered

July 18, 2012 9:44 AM

Crutchlow's case is particularly funny: at one point he was saying that the reason he was doing so well wasn't because he had a WSBK style but because he was riding Lorenzo-style, and that he was the Yamaha rider with a closer style to Lorenzo's. Two GPs later, he was saying he'd do well on the Ducati because his style was the closest to Stoner's in the whole grid. Are there two riding styles more opposite than Lorenzo's and Stoner's?

As for Dovizioso, he sounds like he's making more sense of Lorenzo's data and, instead of copying him, he's taking out lessons to adapt to his own riding style. Smoothness, in particular. But Dovizioso's racing lines, especially attacking the corners, are very different to Lorenzo's. IMO, Dovizioso is a natural good fit with the Yamaha.

About Ben Spies I don't know much to say. I can't understand why he struggles so much. Maybe time to try a different bike?

King Kenny - Unregistered

July 18, 2012 9:54 AM

One last thing: I was also very surprised with what happened to Lorenzo at Sachsenring, arriving 15sec after Pedrosa (and Stoner if he had finished the race). This has started some theories about how in some tracks the Honda is going to be unbeatable and how in some tracks the Yamaha is going to be unbeatable.

At Sachsenring two things came together. One, severe setup issues: Lorenzo didn't manage to get the hard rear working well (this wasn't a problem for the other Yamaha riders, so it's not down to the bike or the track), and wanted to race with the soft rear (he'd been much faster on it during warmup), but Bridgestone adviced him against it saying it wouldn't last race distance (although it did for Bautista). Second, and maybe more important: Lorenzo raced with a very old engine, due to the Assen mishap, which probably had to be tuned down to ensure reliability. He only introduced the 4th engine during qualifying at Mugello.

Cammyspop

July 18, 2012 10:03 AM

@King Kenny I'm not saying that Dovi, Cal or anybody else has started riding just like Jorge. What I'm saying is that they are learning from his success on the Yamaha. While they are riding more like him, that doesn't mean they are riding like him, just that they have adapted their style in particular ironed out the bits that don't work with the Yamaha.

And in that last sentence it seems you may find an answer to what is going on with Spies. I suspect that he spent much of the early part of the season to try to make the Yamaha work for his style rather than adapting himself to suit the bike.

Cammyspop

July 18, 2012 10:05 AM

@King Kenny it's interesting you should mention Sachsenring. It doesn't seem long since Honda riders used to shrug off defeats at Sachsenring by saying it was a Yamaha track.

It will always be the case that some tracks suit one bike, or rider, more than others.

King Kenny - Unregistered

July 18, 2012 11:13 AM

Yes, a lot of people also expected Montmelo or Mugello to be a difficult race for Yamaha. See how that went...

IMO, the tracks where Yamaha should struggle more are the stop&go kind, while a track like Mugello it think plays not only to the Yamaha strenghts but also to Lorenzo's. Sachsenring I'd say is a Pedrosa track. As for Stoner, he's won and can win everywhere, but there are tracks where he's particularly strong, like Qatar or Phillip Island.

I brought up the Sachsenring race because the 15sec difference was a bit alarming, but I think the old engine and bad setup can explain it.

King Kenny - Unregistered

July 18, 2012 11:15 AM

As for Spies, he actually spent the first few races trying to adapt himself not only to the bike but particularly to Lorenzo's setup, and only later gave up and started looking for his own path (all this according to Dennis Noyes, who spoke with Ben on the subject).

shamarone

July 19, 2012 8:58 PM

re: "From what I've managed to read and research, I was always under the impression that Valentino was the only one with a "true" M1 during the 990 years."

no, to accelerate development and fill up the server farms it was crossplanes all around. edwards, tech3, etc. of course, all the good data "trickled up" mostly to the benefit of rossi and anything suspect was left in the hands of the guinea pigs. in business and politics, that's what they call "privitizing the gains while socializing the losses".

shamarone

July 19, 2012 9:13 PM

re: "As for Spies, he actually spent the first few races trying to adapt himself not only to the bike but particularly to Lorenzo's setup, and only later gave up and started looking for his own path"

and this is what I call "the disappearance of elbows". the bridgestone control tyres don't respond well to his conservation of angular momentum technique. to his dismay the new "softened" carcass responds even less. rossi uses this technique hence he finds himself sharing a boat ride with spies. what elias was with the OLD cannonballs, spies and ross are with the new SOFT cannonballs. sucks to be them.

Cammyspop

July 20, 2012 8:56 AM

Valentino Rossi was the only one with a true M1 during the 990 era? Where on earth do you get this stuff?

Rossi wasn't even on a Yamaha for the first two years, are you saying Yamaha didn't actually introduce the M1 until 2004? That they just built something that looked like the M1 was going to look on the offchance that Rossi was going to come along in 2004 so they could unveil the real M1 and put the fakes in the crusher?

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