MotoGP » Lorenzo, Pedrosa talk Yamaha, Honda strengths


“It seems like - from the outside - [Yamaha] have improved a lot in the areas where we were stronger” – Dani Pedrosa.

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Deon

July 19, 2012 5:46 AM

On overall performance and the ability to ride around problems Stoner is the man but on racepace Lorenzo has the upper hand.Would love to see them swop bikes.Just once.Both bikes on par but it must worry Honda that the M1 more than matches it's top speed on a long straight.

marikson - Unregistered

July 19, 2012 8:41 AM

It's not just the bike. Maybe Yamaha's engine is a bit better. They have (always had) a good frame. But it's also about tires, rider streght and confidence. And, in my opinion, at this moment Lorenzo is the best rider out there because he works hard, is mentally strong and rides with his head. On the other hand, Stoner who is a great rider too is struggling at the moment. He's not very good under pressure. And I would add that with he's retirement announcement he put extra pressure on himself and it shows. As a defending champion you have a lot of pressure but if you increase it instead of decrease it then you're in trouble.

marikson - Unregistered

July 19, 2012 8:47 AM

I've seen lots of post over this years about who is the greatest rider, etc. In my opinion this is all nonsense and a big cognitive bias. Why? Because: 1. there is no mathematical formula for the perfect ranking. 2. ranking means comparing between those who are ranked and in any kind of motorsport you have so many elements involved that you would have to do lots of maths. 3. there is no perfect external criteria (like most wins, or most titles, or best win to race ratio, etc.) because you do not have comparable data from one year to another as long as conditions change (riders, teams, tires, track sometimes, weather conditions, etc.)

marikson - Unregistered

July 19, 2012 8:57 AM

Not to mention a non-homogenous development in the bikes and rider skills and there coul be many arguments. So all this talk about who's the greatest ever, etc. is just emotional talk. So it's no wonder why people are so passionate about it. I think it would be more reasonable to talk about best rider-bike-team package, because this is what motorsport is about, a team effort. And, at this moment, Yamaha-Lorenzo-Team Yamaha look the best out there, but things could change as we deal with a dynamic phenomena and not a static one. So enjoy the racing. In the end it does not matter who's greatest.

natscape - Unregistered

July 19, 2012 3:10 PM

There's no doubt that with Casey retiring, his head isn't in it. Big distraction...I think the honda and yamaha are pretty equal. Difference is Lorenzo is focused and has incentive, Dani has had distraction of Honda 2013 intentions. now that is out of the way. Lorenzo is full steam ahead though and will be impossible to stop.Last race was very very boring! Laguna might be fun.

Cammyspop

July 20, 2012 2:05 PM
Last Edited 885 days ago

@marikson a very good point.

I always get annoyed when some numpty comes along and says "lets put Stossi and Cheaggi on the same bike for one race and see who the best rider is." That would only prove who was the best rider on that bike, on that track on that day.

The reversal of fortunes between Sachsenring and Mugello should demonstrate clearly to anybody capable of paying attention that you can't simply say one rider is better than another or indeed that one bike is better than another.

Cammyspop

July 20, 2012 2:10 PM

@hoppy up to a point yes, but a little bit no. Saying that one bike is the best bike that season is to miss the point somewhat. Usually it is the best bike/rider package that wins.

You only have to look at Lorenzo and Spies this year. So far if Yamaha had a couple of Spies on the team then Pedrosa and Stoner would be waltzing away with it and everybody would be saying the Honda was far superior.

I think the difference with Casey in 2007 was that with the massive advantage in power and grip (nothing to do with the chassis, everything to do with the tyres) that he had it was more bike than rider.

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