MotoGP » Redding: Size more important than skill in Moto2


“It's stopped being about who's the best rider in Moto2, because physical size seems to be more important than skill” – Scott Redding.

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CRT - Unregistered

September 18, 2012 1:30 PM

Being 15lbs heavier on a 140HP machine is very different than a 250+ HP machine.The extra weight is not as big as a factor when higher HP comes into play.

You can cite Pedrosa all you want, but how many titles has he won in GP? His winning has a lot more to do with his skill than his weight.

I believe it's a bit arrogant on Reddings part to make a claim that riders are only beating him becuase of size and not skill.

anon 1 - Unregistered

September 18, 2012 1:42 PM

Weight does not offset skills, or is Redding claiming that Marquez only wins because he is lighter? Iannone is 178 cm and 67 Kgs. He is plenty fast. What he is asking for is a "special" rule to offset his size. Get Redding to a wind tunnel and build a new fairing for him. Get him to drop 2Kgs.
Combined weight restrictions exist in moto3 due to the very low power of the engines. You need special rules when putting a 15 year old going against a 25 year old.
In moto2, such restrictions do not apply, nor should. You have "decent" power to offset the weight. If you have a combined minimum weight you are giving a (small) advantage to bigger riders, like Redding, on the corners and braking due to the way they can shift their weight around. You are also penalizing smaller riders. Try riding your motorbike (or a bicycle) with 4 Kgs strapped to it, and then see the difference it makes.

Nick636

September 18, 2012 1:45 PM

@ CRT

He never said they're ONLY beating him because they're lighter.
But it is a massive problem, specially if he's passing them and they fly past on a long straight.

@ Vilas

I didn't bother to check, but I guess they were very similar weights.

petrolbonce

September 18, 2012 1:48 PM
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So he's about 6'1" and 11 stone? Skinny or what?

In all seriousness I have heard several people claim there should be a combined rider and bike weight limit, but that's not something I ever heard of in 250s. The 250s were much lighter than Moto2 bikes so rider weight was much more significant, but I don't recall anybody making an issue of it.

In fact such a limit in Moto2 would work very much in favour of the heavier riders. Lighter riders tend to be weaker than their heavier counterparts. They would have to ride heavier bikes, which would be harder to chuck about. As such the lighter riders would be at a disadvantage.

Scott wants to move up the MotoGP, when he gets there will he make the same complaints? It won't wash. Pedrosa neatly demonstrates that light weight is a double edged sword for a rider? It improves your acceleration and on some circuits that's enough. On circuits that are harder work stronger riders do better because Dani by his own admission is physically exhausted.

mmmmm - Unregistered

September 18, 2012 1:51 PM

Once Marques is crowned the champion and Dorna(aka Honda puppets) have their champion i'll bet anyone there will be a weight limit in place for next season.

petrolbonce

September 18, 2012 2:01 PM

@CRT you are wrong. For two bikes of the same weight but different power outputs the percentage difference in power to weight ratio would be exactly the same between two riders of different weights. The difference caused by rider weights in MotoGP is ever so slightly less than in Moto2 not because of the power output but because the bikes are 12% heavier.

However I still don't agree with these combined weight limits because they constitute a form of handicapping for something over which the riders have little control.

mk1tt16v - Unregistered

September 18, 2012 2:03 PM

makes perfect sense in moto 2 but no need in gp as the bikes are very powerful and they cant put the power down at all really untill the reach high speeds at which point mass is negated

CRT - Unregistered

September 18, 2012 2:06 PM

@ He never said they're ONLY beating him because they're lighter.
But it is a massive problem, specially if he's passing them and they fly past on a long straight.
Posted by Nick636

Nick, Reddings comments are pretty damning....“It's stopped being about who's the best rider in Moto2, because physical size seems to be more important than skill” Scott Redding.

I'm all open about me misunderstanding what he is trying to get across, but laying a claim that you only have to be a lightweight to win is arrogant.

There's a dozen different factors as to why someone passes you on the straight, exit drive, gearing, aero etc that have nothing to do with weight. I am by no means saying weight does not play a factor in the lower classes, but making a broad comment like that is not good IMO.

NICK - Unregistered

September 18, 2012 2:13 PM

I hope LCR have RCV for 2013 for Scott, he'd smoke em! Good luck Scott, having followed his career, I totally agree with him! Just wait til Phillip Island, I predict a victory for Scott! That circuit will suit his aggresive style! PS Silverstone 2012 he beat the little Spanish guy!

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