MotoGP » Island feat 'may be step too far' for Stoner


'I think it's going to be tough to make it six in a row, but we'll definitely be there, even if they have to duct-tape me to the bike' - Casey Stoner

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Hemmy - Unregistered

September 20, 2012 7:03 PM

@Chapster, the only definate variable that IS the same since Stoner was with Ducati is one of the riders, Hayden.

I think its fair to say that Stoner was miles ahead of Hayden, both in terms of track posistion and overall points.

The fact that bikes are different is very true indeed, but when you consider that Hayden is still there, and Rossi struggles to even beat him, let alone convincingly beat him on a regular basis to the extent of what Stoner did, then that suggests that its Rossi that is not on the same level as Rossi in terms of his ability to ride the Ducati.

Its one of those things that no one can argue with, although im sure the same few will come up the their own reasons to try and defend their idol. Which is fair enough, but it doesnt change the truth.

Another question to these few Rossi fanatics......

If Stoner jumped on Haydens bike for just one race weekend (hypothetically speaking of course) and went head to head with Rossi and you HAD to bet your house on eit

daniel kuchnia

September 20, 2012 7:03 PM

@Chapster

You cant make a comparison Casey vs Rossi on Duc. Rossi didnt raced on Duc, he driven thats think only.

For me it direct comparison was Valencia 2010.
Thats all. Casey needed 80 second to be first, Rossi 80 seconds to be last.

daniel kuchnia

September 20, 2012 7:00 PM

I respect the decision, that Casey made (dont support it aswell).
But, I like his style to say what he thinking.
MotoGP is at the end, even the clown rides next years.
You all know it.
I like his situation he had. He still love racing but he do what he want.
He spended all his life for racing and now he has a family.
He could be a clown as xxx and could earn milions even he is not italina or spaniard, but no, for him was always pure racing on first and this I respect most.

Chapster - Unregistered

September 20, 2012 6:35 PM

Maybe the Ducati is better than when Stoner had it (we'll ignore the fact that Stoner hasn't ever ridden the current Duke) but what about the Yamaha's and Honda's? Are they the same exact bikes thet Stoner competed against? Of course not.

To make direct comparisons of Stoner's and Rossi's time on the Ducati, you need everything outside of the Ducati garage to remain unchanged and that simply hasn't happened.

I'm not suggesting the results would have been any different, but there are so many variables in play that such direct comparisons are generally shortsighted at best.

Stavros - Unregistered

September 20, 2012 6:27 PM

The reason people rate Stoner so highly Exhausted, is because he amassed most of his wins on a Ducati. Which if you know anything about the sport is a pretty phenomanal effort. Especially when you look at what the supposed GOAT has done on it since Casey left. NO WINS IN TWO YEARS. On a bike which according to Nicky is bette than what it was when Stoner was on it! Numbers never tell the whole story, and while Stoner won't go down as the GOAT he"ll be remembered as the rider that regularly beat the supposed OAT on inferior machinery.

Codger

September 20, 2012 3:31 PM

@ ExHaUsT.....what an eyeopener! I checked the stats for myself and was surprised to see that Jorge and Max Biaggi are both much better than Casey.
Mind you Stats aren't everything. Jorge & Max did better in the smaller capacities.
It occurs to me that Ago wouldn't be at the top of the list if you took away his 350cc stuff, seeing as the class is long gone.

Hemmy - Unregistered

September 20, 2012 2:15 PM

@herewego, what?

You are worng on every level. Casey is the ONLY one of the top level riders to prove that he can win on any bike, regardless of it being the best, or the worse. Rossi on the other hand, well, we have all seen that he needs a great bike to even be close to the top guys, let alone win a single race.

Of course both Rossi and Stoner are great riders, and Rossi was dominating before Hayden beat him in 2006, but the reason that Stoner has beaten Rossi head to head over the last 7 years is becasue he has the ability to win on any bike thats given to him. Rossi does not share that same ability, evidently.

You say Stoner 'did nothing' between winning his first and second championships? Well he actually won many many races and had many many podiums, each and every year. If that is 'nothing', then how would you describe what Rossi has done over the last 2 seasons?

And thats a genuine question that id love to here your answer too.

WylieCoyote

September 20, 2012 1:50 PM

Never say Never. How the hell was I having a go at Bayliss? Did I say he was a bad driver or anything else?It is a fact he went into the championship in an uncompetitive car that broke down in two of the races he contended. He could have jumped into a front running Dunlop Series car and had a far better time of it. Wayne Gardner had his own team with Coca Cola backing and was very rich from racing sports cars in Japan for years before he tackled the Aussie V8's. How can you compare his entry to the sport with Bayliss? It is logical to get the race craft right in the same cars in the lower series, no matter what your racing experience is in other categories. You say I post rubbish but your facts never check out and your arguments never stand scrutiny.

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