MotoGP » Lorenzo poised to equal Wayne Rainey

Jorge Lorenzo moves above Geoff Duke, John Surtees and 'King' Kenny Roberts for all-time 500cc/MotoGP race wins

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fans - Unregistered

September 28, 2012 1:13 AM

just keep dreaming 99...wayne rainey?? Hahaha..if 99 so famous why..why..yamaha doesn't have main sponsor after Rossi left??
r u crazy ?? Marquez is just a spoiled little boy.the end.

Dave - Unregistered

September 28, 2012 6:49 AM

"Rossi had a lot of luck in his career. The fact that he hadn't missed a race until Mugello 2010 speaks volumes about how lucky he has been with injuries and how relatively poor his competition is. When one rider dominates, it's usually a sign of an uncompetitive field.

I think the bigger question is whether anyone will beat Agostini's record. I hope not, because poor competition would be required."

Where do you begin picking the holes in this...

1.Luck is based on subjective opinion not objective fact.
2.Poor competition including stoner & Jlo in 2008 & 2009 i assume?
3.Stoners dominance in 2007 & 2011 means the fields were uncompetitive i assume?
4.Stoner fans biggest claim over rossi is race wins, well whos name is at the top of the table? Note: table goes back further than 2007.


September 28, 2012 9:54 AM
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I've never thought that number of wins was that much of an indicator of how great a rider is. Percentage of wins makes more sense, but even that isn't enough. How important is a second or third place when compared to a win? And then you're not taking into account the machinery. It's very complex and simply citing the number of wins doesn't even come close to telling you how good a racer was.

The interesting thing when comparing Rainey and Lorenzo is that they have a similar number of wins from a similar number of starts in the premier class (so far). That makes it easier to compare without working out percentages. Rainey however has a significantly higher rate of podiums.

If you include their figures for 250s things are more in favour of Jorge for wins, but very close when you include podium finishes.

The thing is if you choose your statistics carefully you could make them give the answer you want.


September 28, 2012 10:01 AM

Somebody just pointed out to me that you have to consider that Rainey's career was cut artificially short through no choice of his own. There is absolutely no doubt that he would have won more races, perhaps many more. So it can be said with some considerable justification that his number of wins does not truly reflect his standing among the grand prix greats.

However it could also be said that his percentage win rate is artificially high. He never went through the twilight years that some racers go through, which would no doubt adversely affect anyone's win rate.

Obviously the same things can be said of Doohan.

Just another reason why simplistic statistics like don't give anything like the whole picture. They are often used selectively by the hard of thinking to justify an argument.

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