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“The bikes are very powerful, more than 250 horsepower, so we have to take care of those things” - Jorge Lorenzo.

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Anarki - Unregistered

September 28, 2012 9:00 AM

People here moan for boring races, but when someone try to level the field a little bit now it's all support to the manufactures. I don't get that. For me, it's simple, what i want is more bikes and more balanced performance and it would lead to good races. That's my angle, because i am just a viewer and i don't care about manufactures interest. You have to understand that we have a three sides here with different interest and that is a problem with this series. Dorna, MSMA and riders all have different interest and that is the problem. Only if they find a common interested we could have a good series again or if someone(dorna) can force some rules to level the field somehow.

TalentFan

September 28, 2012 10:16 AM

They ought to be able to keep the safety and still make the racing more interesting. Right now everything is optimised for every corner - I understand the systems use GPS so the bike 'knows' exactly where it is. The electronics system can then adjust the bike to suit the portion of track. I think this is why races are now processional & its harder to overtake - as every bike has a near-identical ability everywhere.

Get rid of live-feed GPS on the bikes. Then the crew will have to set the bike up as a 'best compromise' for the whole track. This will mean strong areas and weaker areas - and different bikes will have the edge in different parts = more interesting racing?

Damien IE - Unregistered

September 28, 2012 12:04 PM

couldn't agree more with TalentFan with the whole live GPS tracking and bike mapping per strecth of racetrack they are on. Didn't Jorge take a shortcut back to the pts at a race this year and confue the bike as it don't know where it was ie expected to be at next corner but he shortcutted to pits.
Its getting too like scalextric and the rider has less and less to do.
Jorge complaining a spec ecu needs to be safe “I think we have to see if we still have the same safety on the bikes, because now we avoid a lot of highside crashes - The bikes are very powerful, more than 250 horsepower, so we have to take care of those things.”

Damien IE - Unregistered

September 28, 2012 12:08 PM

BigG and shaken

have it nailed and goes to prove the old 500cc 2strke masters with 190bhp and 140kg's showed who had real talent absolutely no electronic aids

BSB with 200+ bhp and not many highsides there due to rider skill with throttle control so a 250+ prototype with prototype tyres and carbon rakes and lighter shouldn't be unsafe !!!

Cost reduction - bring back 500cc's.
Honda only now building RCV for the road !! WSBK should be 4 stroke dev lab and MotoGP for prototypes and modern 2strokes

CRT - Unregistered

September 28, 2012 12:41 PM

@ TalentFan,

GPS tracking was banned (2009 IIRC?). They way around that was the techs use the timing splits so the bike knows where it is on track and set it up accordingly.

Hayden had an issue with his bike because it "forgot" where it was on the track.

TalentFan

September 28, 2012 12:58 PM

@ CRT
If that's the case, well it still means that they had the data and are able to implement the same result - which is to perfect the set-up section-by-section.

My point though is surely valid? If a control ECU takes the opportunity away to have anything more than a single electronics map that has to be used for the whole lap, rather than being able to set the bike up to use 4 maps (e.g. one per Split, possibly even more, where each split is broken down further into multiple maps per split maybe?).

The bike mechanical & electronic set-up ought to be as it always used to be - i.e. you can set your bike up perfectly for one section & then lose out some on others, or go for a best-fit where you compromise a bit everywhere to get a good overall set-up.

This way it's down to the rider to make the difference in area where his bike is not ideal, and maximise the potential of the equipment under him, while the engineers have to make the bike the best they can for the race overall. As it

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