MotoGP » Casey Stoner: I’ll be at Valencia


“I can't ask for a better way to end my career in Australia, but at the same time I'm not finishing here” – Casey Stoner.

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Codger

October 31, 2012 3:43 PM
Last Edited 689 days ago

I doubt if there will be fireworks right away like there was when Stoner jumped on the Honda.
I see him taking it steady and getting quicker as he learns. Jorge can relax for a while at least.

I've just noticed it's a Stoner thread.....It would be awesome to see him testing at Valencia, maybe on one of those Honda bikes that are like cars.

Pam

October 31, 2012 4:21 PM
Last Edited 689 days ago

Hi Codger. But isn't Gardner considered one of the best? And you forgot Schwantz! He only won the title once but was so popular that his number was retired. And correct me if I'm wrong, is he not Rossi's favorite rider? That period in the 90's is considered by most to be the most competitive ever. Gardner, Lawson, Doohan, Schwantz, Rainy, Chandler. The SIX Aliens of their time and all them were known for going balls out! Wouldn't that have something to do with a particular rider not getting more titles? Here's the thing, Rossi fans go on and on about him being the best ever based on number of titles. But he doesn't have the most, that would be Agostini. Are we saying then that title count isn't the only metric when debating who's best. Apparently yes, which means there are other factors. Bottom line. Rossi, Stoner, Schwantz, Lorenzo, whoever you think is the best, are all pretty damn good and you could make a reasonable argument for any of them.

Boner - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 4:32 PM

Schwantz was the best coz he used to fight with Rainy and others, when i say fight...u knw what i mean, he never said that..ohh..rainy's tyres hit the gravel when he overtook me, i've lost respect for him. U knw what i mean...We want head on racing here, somebody elbows u out of the track u pass him the next lap and show him ur middle finger...that's what we want. Not the number of titles, that comes up only because some stupid people start comparing the stats...:) cheers...

Boner - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 4:36 PM
Last Edited 689 days ago

Schwantz was the best coz he used to fight with Rainy and others, when i say fight...u knw what i mean, he never said that..ohh..rainy's tyres hit the gravel when he overtook me, i've lost respect for him. U knw what i mean...We want head on racing here, somebody elbows u out of the track u pass him the next lap and show him ur middle finger...that's what we want. Not the number of titles, that comes up only because some people start comparing the stats...:) cheers...

Dr GP - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 6:28 PM

Stoner will be remembered for his style of riding and being the only rider to master the Ducati. Does that make him a bigger legend than Rossi? No. Reason? Rossi has been around longer, won more championships in more classes and configurations, and has done much much more to promote the sport. Most non-GP fans have heard of Rossi, how many have heard of Stoner?

Sadly Stoner and his fans expected him to be put on a pedastal like Rossi after only winning one championship and have had a chip on their shoulders ever since that he wasn't, also conveniently ignoring the fact Lorenzo has won as many top class championships and Rossi and Stoner were equal on two each during their years racing together.

Whether you agree with it or not this is part of what has led to the negative aspects of his reputation, that and the fact that he has always seemed to dislike the PR side of the sport, which like it or not pleases the sponsors who fund it.

CRT - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 6:40 PM

@ Dr GP,

No one in thier sane mind would like the PR when the only thing the "reporting authorities" did was bash the kid who's only sin was to beat the "golden child" fair and square.

Instead of Dorna stepping in and help promote the sport outside of one racer, they stood on the sidelines and allowed it to happen. Instead of promoting the "aliens" it continued to stuff it's eggs into one basket, the Rossi train basket. So far as to make the announcement mid season that "I know Rossi will be on a competitive bike next year". Talk about a crock of cuss.

Stoner should be put on a pedastal, just like Dani and Lorenzo and the rest of the grid. The sooner Dorna realizes the sport can be bigger than one rider the better it will be.

Dr GP - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 7:03 PM

@ CRT. I agree with you on some points but not others. Yes of course we should respect all the riders out there, but there will inevitably be some who have characteristics and records that we are drawn to more than others. Yes the aliens should all be on pedastals, but a lot of people forget that the reason they have pushed the envelope so hard is because they had a target to aim for and that target was to beat Rossi.
As I have said above Rossi is a household name so of course Dorna are going to want to make sure he is competitive and well promoted. The wider the audience and appeal the more money comes in and the more likely the sport is sustainable. Unfortunately Stoner seems to have been deeply affected by the PR more so than Lorenzo, who also got a lot of stick, and I suspect it is a big part of him leaving. However, what Stoner has not done that Lorenzo and Dani have, is become more PR savvy and evolve how they present themselves.
Stoner's attitude towards the changes and PR h

Dr GP - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 7:04 PM

and PR has regrettably come across to some as if he could not care less about the sport, but just wants to ride the bike and be adored for it, without attending to what is necessary to keep the sport going. If your employer makes changes you do not like but you are still passionate about what you do and the people you serve, you don't say f**k you I'm off.

CRT - Unregistered

October 31, 2012 7:42 PM

@ Dr GP,

You have entirely missed the point.

Rossi is a household name already, great. His own name in the series is self promoting. How about promoting the rest of the field instead of a sole focus on one rider? Dorna has failed miserably in doing that.

Lorenzo and Pedrosa have not received two thirds of the crap Stoner has. In order for the media to get the lemmings to contiune to read thier crap they have to make someone else the villan, the anti Rossi. That person happened to be Stoner.

As far as Stoner saying cuss off I'm out, good for him. Dorna has done him zero favors, and until late, neither has the media. It took the unsung hero of Dorna to go to Ducati before anyone truly realized what a talent this kid is. Too little to late. Had Dorna done the right thing they would have a new racer to promote the seires. The level of talent in GP is the largest it's been in a very long time, and instead of promoting that they still hang off Rossi's testicles.

If in people's

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