MotoGP » Casey Stoner: I’ll be at Valencia

“I can't ask for a better way to end my career in Australia, but at the same time I'm not finishing here” – Casey Stoner.

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True Fan - Unregistered

November 01, 2012 10:30 PM

@stacey moaner You sound angry and bitter...that doesn't make your attempt to defend Rossi's poor performance at Ducati, or your attack on Stoner's decision to retire, very compelling.

80% rider, 20% bike. Rossi's own words. Believe what you want.

John - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 3:25 AM

Rossi has done a decent job on the Ducati, pretty much any non alien would have gotten much credit if they got his excat results on the same bike. Problem is he's not just any rider, he's supposed to be the GOAT and even if hes the top Ducati rider hes nowhere near what Stoner did on the bike. Now no matter what Rossi does on any bike everyone knows Stoner would be doing it better.

Stacey Moaner - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:42 AM

That is not defending(off-course)..
Facts, Riders can have good years and bad too, Rossi too has 2 bad years.
Stoner now says Rossi shouldn't be complaining about races being boring cuz he's isn't in front.

Why, thats the attitude of a champ aint it. He(Stoner) should have won 2008 then spoken like he does.

Oh Mr. Dun-believe-whatchya-read leave peacefully with a bit of respect(I meant lots of 'em) you have.

We already have an aussie legend(Mick Doohan), ya just another racer

sakkie - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 9:40 AM

I think Rossi secured his ride because of the accompanying publicity plus the amount of sponsor money he was able to attract to Yamaha. Let's face it, he's been reduced to a pay rider. What an ignominious end to a great career.

True Fan - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 11:08 AM
Last Edited 1122 days ago

@Stacy Moaner I hate to shatter your illusions, but "GOAT"s just don't have bad years, let alone back to back comprehensive failures. Valentino was paid an absolute fortune to ride a Ducati. As the "GOAT", and implicit in justifying that excessive payment, he is expected to WIN races. He has failed. Not fallen short - FAILED.

Ducati is a small factory. In Novemeber 2010, he got on a bike that 2 days earlier set the fastest lap in the race at Valencia, and placed second. He was 2 seconds a lap slower than Casey Stoner. 2 Seconds is an eternity at that level. What GOAT is 2 seconds a lap slower on the SAME bike at the SAME track with conditions that are the SAME? Since then, Ducati has given Rossi more updates than Stoner received in 4 years there.

EDIT by CRASH.NET! Tone down your comments about other posters, please.

Stavros - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 1:26 PM

You know, Michael Schumacher had 7 world titles to Ayrton Senna's 3. But most who saw them both say Senna was the greater driver. I think the the Rossi/Stoner situation will go down like that post Ducati. And Stoner gets to walk (limp) away at the top of his game.

Stacey Moaner - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 1:36 PM

what does payment has to do anything with performance.
Or is there a Maximum payment rule that he violated?

Didn't you read anywhere you get to read anywhere that he was injured before the test??

Or, try searching for difference between Ducati that CS won and the 2010 Ducati which cs binned on a warm up lap..
Please don't amuse me by saying they are the same.
There are still more stuffs, but I'll let you digest these for a while.

Nothing personal true fan, just factsjavascript:insertTextCursor('comment',%20':p')


November 02, 2012 4:04 PM
Last Edited 1121 days ago

Same old history being recycled (and bent to suit the viewpoint of the poster). There is some manipulation of events here that makes one wonder at the mental state of some people.
Look - its simple. We only have to wait a short time now before Vale gets to rider the Yam, and so all this chest-thumping by partisan fans is unnecessary.
It's perhaps unfair to expect VR to be as fast as JL at valencia testing. Its probably also unfair perhaps to expect him to be (a lot) faster at that test than he rode the Ducati the day before too. But we must see something that backs up all the hyperbole from his rabid fanboys - and if he does I'll say well done. If VR doesn't deliver at the test or in 2013 WC.... how many of his sycophants will post to say they were wrong?
As for the likes of Stacey Moaner? It must be awful to be such a spiteful and sorry little person, & I feel sorry for such poor creatures. I hope no-one picks on poor Stacey when she goes back to class after half-term.

Stacey Moaner - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 4:32 PM

Then why didnt wait till the test is done Talentfan.
I 'm just responding to the number of anti-rossi comments made previously.

No one said anything about him being as fast as Lorenzo. Its about his achievement being compared and how people look only the years where he didn't perform.

Now if he had quit in 2005, would that be appreciated.

I guess you would , after ya hero is quitting .
Afraid of losing ,aint he, or there are no more factory rides to bin anymore?

Dr GP - Unregistered

November 02, 2012 5:11 PM

@ Lukey Heights & @ Codger
Both have excelled and given all they have to both the sport and the public. One is loved for who he is and one is loved for what he can do.

Although you have tried to look objective and mediating I can't help feeling there is still a jab at Rossi in there and disagree with you.

Rossi fans that have been following the sport long enough also appeciate what he has done or can do, not just who he is (over his entire career). I converted to being a fan of his after his switch to Yamaha (i.e. what he has done), I have not been so keen on who he is at times, especially the last three years (shot himself in foot over Lorenzo/Yamaha, very negative about Stoner, not pushed on Ducati), but am still a fan because of what he can do (i.e. bring excitement and racecraft).

Given this is a Stoner thread with mutual mud slinging I am sure many will disagree...

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