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Filippo Preziosi to change role at Ducati? Suter to build the Desmosedici MotoGP chassis?

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Codger

November 11, 2012 4:52 PM

@ Slide Rules! You're pulling me up on things I never said.......again.

Your thinly veiled attempts at insults are wasted on me, if only because they have absolutely no relevance to any of my posts.

I take it that it is the same Slide Rules! each time that jumps on my comments?

Can you give a link to a picture of Ducatis' inline 4?
And for your information my favourite rider doesn't ride a Ducati. (not this year anyway)

bo - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 2:05 AM

all will be revealed at the test on Tuesday, if Val is up to pace on the yamaha then the Ducati is unridable by all but Stoner and must be redesigned if not well who knows.......

Codger

November 12, 2012 9:21 AM

@ woody6222....many thanks.
I also found evidence of a Spanish built inline 4. Not much information on either the official bike or the Spanish one, neither of which hung around long.
I was around in that era and missed them, thanks for your guidance.

Part of my post to Slide Rules! came up on the Google search page.!!! :)

petrolbonce

November 12, 2012 1:08 PM

I don't think the handling problems are down to the chassis design, nor do I think there's any evidence that Ducati can't build a chassis. Over the last two years Ducati have tried several chassis variations with very little improvement.

The major problem seems to be the insistence on sticking with the overly long "L4" engine. Drop that and it will allow them much more leeway in positioning the engine. That will probably result in an end to their handling woes.

Suter or anybody else building a chassis for the "L4" will probably find themselves with exactly the same problems. The issue for any chassis designer with that engine will be that they are trying to compensate for the shortcomings imposed by the engine, rather than trying to build a chassis that handles. The engine design is an important part of the chassis design.

Honda for example dropped their own "L4" engines back in 1983 and haven't looked back since.

petrolbonce

November 12, 2012 1:14 PM

@Codger it's not so much that Stoner's style suited the 2007 Ducati as the 2007 had a couple of major advantages that had nothing to do with the chassis.

One was the engine. All credit to Ducati for building an engine that was so much more powerful than the opposition, but that was a major contributor to Stoner's title.

The other was the tyres. Ducati were on Bridgestone, which were in a different league back then. Another major contributor.

Both advantages were short lived. Not only have Honda and Yamaha made great leaps in the power stakes since then and the tyre wars come to an end, but Yamaha and Honda have continually improved the handling of their bikes since then while Ducati have more or less stood still. Those factors explain Stoner's slide down the order season on season from 2007 to 2010.

That's not to say Stoner isn't a great rider - he is. Just that Ducati rested on their laurels for too long and are now playing a desperate game of catchup.

Codger

November 12, 2012 1:59 PM

@ petrolbonce...the terrible irony is, if Casey hadn't continued getting wins and podiums on the 2008/09/10 iterations, then Ducatis development might have happened. Surely Stoner and his team called the front end problems as down to the engine configuration being at fault? The trouble is if you say that after you've set pole time on your second lap and go on to win the race, stubborn Italian eyebrows are going to be raised.

petrolbonce

November 12, 2012 2:37 PM

@Codger don't forget the reason Rossi gave for not going to Ducati for 2004. He said that Ducati built bikes to suit themselves, not their riders. Rossi wasn't the only one who said this, but is AFAIK the only person to go into print with it. This seems to have been demonstrated pretty well in subsequent seasons. All of which calls into question Rossi's decision to go to Ducati in the first place. Was it just the money?

It appears that in 2007 Ducati happened to get things right (and had the added advantage of the tyres) which as you say probably made it even harder for riders to get their way.

You can imagine Ducati saying to Stoner, "the bike won in 2007, get out there and win another title."

The Mentor - Unregistered

November 12, 2012 8:45 PM

You guys are hilarious, Stoner was just lucky to get out of that P.O.S Ducati at the right time or didn't you guys notice that he was winning less and less with each passing season. And I'm not by any means saying that Rossi is not be blame some what for this whole fiasco, but if the bike was so great, why didn't Hayden or Abraham or Barbera won on it in these two season. The bike is crap people, when you a factory bike that can only challenge the satelites of other factories then you have problems. Remember Kawasaki? or Aprillia? or more recently Suzuki? It's just a matter of being in the right place at the right time, and for Stoner it has happened twice. Two championships won on machinery that someone else developed. That's fact.

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