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Standard ECU compulsory from 2014 - manufacturers to keep their own electronics software, but face four-litre fuel penalty...

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gutbucket - Unregistered

November 11, 2012 8:23 AM

one of the amazing things about motogp(and f1)is how different sized riders/drivers on completely different bikes/cars often with diffrent spec tyres can lap within a couple of thousands of a secs of each other.dont spoil it with more regs.

RSMick

November 11, 2012 9:25 AM

Amen gut bucket, understandable on engines that are all the same but Motogp is just that more to it than the race itself.
Everybody just seems to jump on a bandwagon of the current news lately, forgetting history and the whole picture, just like the government.
What next all basketball players and goalkeepers must wear stilts if they are under a certain size? Rugby players and sprinters carry extra ballast?

True Fan - Unregistered

November 11, 2012 9:51 AM

It's a pity these regulations weren't brought in in 1949. It would have made for better racing, and instead of going and choosing between an R1, Fireblade, GXR, or 1198, we'd have a selection of 500cc single cylinder side valve doozies that leak oil...

Dorna needs to decide whether MotoGP is still going to be a prototype class, or a handicap event.
The future of transport as we know it will include very large doses of embedded electronics. Prototype racing should be a hot bed for this development.

Personally, I don't like it much on motorbikes, but the manufacturers have little choice. They have to develop it. Why penalise them?

gpfan - Unregistered

November 11, 2012 9:54 AM

@RSMick

"Everybody just seems to jump on a bandwagon of the current news lately, forgetting history and the whole picture, just like the government."

No, they see the trends, and look for adjustments to improve the sport. Forgetting history? No, its called progression. You see riders push starting bikes, crashing into hay bails, or smoking cigarettes on the grid?

"What next all basketball players and goalkeepers must wear stilts if they are under a certain size? Rugby players and sprinters carry extra ballast?"

Good example? Not hardly. We're talking about a sport where a rider depends on equipment to get him around a track. It would be one thing to have unlimited fuel, but we don't, so a lighter rider has more potential power and speed. It takes more fuel to propel a heavier rider at the same speed as a lighter rider. So unless they give heavier riders more fuel, they should level the potential energy outputs the best they can.

Times change, technology changes thing

RSMick

November 11, 2012 10:41 AM

GPfan, if your 10 stone you don't become a rugby player, if your 4 ft you don't get to be a basketball player if your 15 stone you don't become a jockey or a Motogp rider.
If you are a heavier rider you have an advantage in GP as you have the power to muscle it around but lose a little in acceloration, if your small its the other way round. These bikes have more than enough power to shoot them round, everybody at the track today believes the new rules are correct balance in Motogp.
How many times do you see Pedrosa lose it and keep it up on his knee like other riders?

mrfill

November 11, 2012 3:00 PM

Setting the rider weight at 75kg seems a bit high for moto2 as it means all the riders will have to carry ballast and the flyweights could have their bike weight increased by 15% (25kg). That's one big lump of ballast!

As others have noted, the flyweights gain on acceleration but lose out a bit by not being able to muscle the bike around. Making the bike 20-25kg heavier is going to disadvantage them hugely.

Also, I wonder if the weighing will be done after the race (as in F1)? If so, would Marquez have been disqualified today for failing to return with all his equipment, having thrown his gloves to the crowd?

Nikeros - Unregistered

November 11, 2012 3:18 PM

Anyone familiar with the Kurt Vonnegut novel where ballet dancers have to wear sandbags? Sumo wrestlers don't race bicycles and jockeys don't play NFL football. Different sports favor different body types. There are some things in this world that don't lend themselves to legislated equality.

stevekiwiinuk - Unregistered

November 11, 2012 4:30 PM

Moto2 combined weight....the horse has already bolted but better late than never. Marquez wins from the back of the grid....Pedrosa wins from the pit lane....don't know what these 2 riders could have in common??? Oh I know...the lighter you are the more talent you have!! Must be it. Don't suppose for a minute MotoGP will get the same thing....at least not until Marquez has won his 3rd MotoGP championship.

stevekiwiinuk - Unregistered

November 11, 2012 4:51 PM

@RSMick....what a load of rubbish!! When Scott won on his 125 he didn't weigh 74 Kilos. You don't know how heavy you're going to end up when you're 16 years old....do you just give up racing because you happen to suddenly grow up?
People are making a big thing of the so called advantage in cornering from the bigger rider....from where I'm sitting I don't see Pedrosa or Marquez or Stoner struggling in the corners but I can sure see them blasting past on the straights and outbraking others....

RSMick

November 11, 2012 9:16 PM
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stevekiwiinuk, what a load of rubbish!! do you really think adding weight to Marquez would have made any difference? The guy is a class above the rest an idiot but class.
As for Scott, my son was his size at 14 when he an Scott was racing in the same Minibike series and Scott was 13, Scott was tiny but not complaining. Lorenzo is 14kg heavier than Pedrosa and can beat him without ballast and not complaining. Why was Simoncelli so fast at 76kg, because he could muscle the thing around. When Pedrosa got to Motogp everyone said he needed to put weight on but proved them wrong. But notice in PI how he could not hold the front end slide like the bigger riders do or even pick the bike up after, so advantage gone. How many 14 stone 6.6 riders do you see Will Hartog was the last, its just the way it is. Scott won't get any bigger unless he hits the pies which he won't because he knows for his career he must keep his weight down.

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